[Geoff Candy]

There are two forums under SCS covering Vegas Pro & DVDA respectively. I normally scsn the SCS Vegas Pro forum daily. I’ve had a lot of help and learnt a great deal from others problems. Just scanned back through these forums and can find no unanswered topics that I could relate to ‘karen’ or your topic.

My eyes may be failing so might I trouble you for a link to your SCS posting.

[Geoff Candy]

John,
Thanks for taking the time to explain ‘rate changing’. Vegas does seem to do a reasonable job and your methods most certainly work and return clips identical in length to the source.
My usual source of NTSC comes on tape from friends with two HC3 camcorders one of which was purchased in NTSC land. The tapes I receive are often mixed PAL & NTSC material hence my interest in creating a common standard for the timeline. Vegas accepts mixed material so perhaps I am over reacting in trying to establish a common standard. In the past if have changed rate via frameserving and avisynth . Hence my interest in quicker/easier routes

gc

[Geoff Candy]

Thanks Steve, it should be made clearer.

[Geoff Candy]

Errata: Farrs not John_Cline was the source for my first post on this thread.

[Geoff Candy]

Hi John,
I simply followed the directions in the original SCS Forum post and as far as I was concerned the resulting video was OK. The key seemed to be in using absolute frames. I would not expect extra frames to be created or discarded. Depending on which way you are changing here will be a ‘slo mo’ or ‘speed up’ of around 20%. Visually this may not be noticed but the change in audio pitch could be un-acceptable. For my purpose the audio was not required.
The next time I use this method I’ll try with re-sampling on & off.

Perhaps I should now refrain from posting.

[Geoff Candy]

Found this on Sony Forum. Credit goes to John_Cline if my memory serves correctly
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“Is it possible to convert 24P to PAL in Vegas?”

Yes, with absolute perfection.
Project = 24p
Audio tab, set Resample quality to Best
Put 24p clip on timeline, switch T/L ruler to absolute frames, note number of frames at end of clip.
Change project to 25p, Ctl + drag end of clip until it is exactly the same number of frames long.

Your clip will now playback at 25fps, your can render it out as 25p or add pulldown to make 50i (PAL) by changing simply to 50i.

The above is exactly the same as how any movie is broadcast in PAL land. It will be 4% shorter, no one will notice.

The Elastique pitch shifting now used by Vegas is exceptionally good, arguably the best money can buy so even the audio will be perfect.

Note, 24p is not that common, most likely your video is 23.97p, doesn’t matter, just match your inital project settings to the media to get it right.
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I did the following: I filmed the highway at 24P (as Bob says, it is actually 23.97).and followed the instructions, everything clear to me. Rendered to 1080/ 50i and to 720/25p

Then I compared the original clip w the converted on my PAL TV. The original showed jerky cars, flowing and then kind of stopping and then going on etc.

The converted copies showed no stopping but some “ghosts” appearing now and then behind or before the cars. 25p looked better than 50i. Is this to be expected or maybe id didn’t do the conversion carefully enough?
Another clip taken directly at 1080i w the camera was the smoothest.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Make sure you are NOT resampling! https://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=827280&Replies=5

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I have used this to change 60i ntsc to 50i pal and it does work

[Geoff Candy]

It’s free, documented and the forum appears friendly. Totally different to Vegas. I gave it a trial about 12 months back running under XP but did not find it intuative. My Grandson however uses it daily for his work and swears by it. This time running W7.

I think you will have to bite the bullet and trial it. Just Google Lightworks and download. If I remember correctly you are required to register prior to downloading but no $$s required.

Let us know how you get on.

[Geoff Candy]

@Lincoln

I trust VP11 is workng for you. It certainly isn’t for me.

I would wish that VP11 is completed & debugged before proceeding to VP12. Maybe you are not aware that simple basic features for example ‘Print HDV to Tape’ fell off the rails in VP11 and is still not fixed despite the fault being reported last November
Reading the SCS forum would indicate VP10e has quite a few unresolved bugs.

Sony need to achieve a rock stable finished release of the current version. Rushing on to VP12/13 will damage the vegas image further.

[Geoff Candy]

Sony acknowledge problem. To be fixed in later update. Seems after update 520!! With luck before VP12 is released.

[Geoff Candy]

Print HDV to Tape still not fixed!!

It’s a basic feature that works fine through VP8-VP10 so why not in VP11. Surely it should easy to fix?

Geoff C