Andy Patterson
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[Craig Seeman] “[andy patterson] “Some things can be daisy chained others cannot because of bandwidth limitation of Thunderbolt 2. ”
Which is why the number of ports is of value. A PC with one TB2 port will hit that limit sooner.”
But there are PCS with Thunderbolt 3 so why talk about PCs with Thunderbolt 2? I think some PCs can probably get a Thunderbolt 3 PCIE card.
[Craig Seeman] “What happens with the next Mac Pro (if there is one) is speculative but my guess it’ll have multiple TB3 ports (and admittedly no idea how they’ll handle controllers/busses).”
PCs in 2018 will probably have two Thunderbolt controllers and two Thunderbolt ports. That along with two USB 3.1 ports will be more than enough bandwidth because the PC’s Graphics card is PCIE
[Craig Seeman] “[andy patterson] “All the PCs at the time of the Mac Pro 2013 had PCIE 3.0. Why not have PCIE and Thunderbolt 3? ”
That would have been nice. I’m not sure the demand was there. It seems like a niche within a niche in the “professional” video market. The demand for high powered workstations is, at best stagnant. Apple is not pursuing that.”
Generic ATX computers are inexpensive to build. Apple does not want inexpensive products
[Craig Seeman] “[andy patterson] “Having said that why would I want my graphics card outside of my computer? Why not just get an ITX case?”
Because you’d be able to move it from desktop to laptop as needed.”
If you have your RAID, card reader, Blu-ray burner and GPU outside of the case it just ends up looking cluttered and taking up space. Not to mention you will not have the functionality of an ATX computer. Also in order to use an external GPU you will need to be plugged into an AC outlet. Why not just use the desktop PC? My desktop PC would be more portable than a laptop with an external RAID and external GPU. All my stuff is internal. No proprietary AC adapters and cable to worry about.
Having said that Thunderbolt is a good technology to have.
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[Craig Seeman] “[andy patterson] “without true PCIE slots ”
Perhaps you aren’t aware of what Thunderbolt is.”I am aware more than you. In the video the guy stated he knows he will not get the full benefits of the graphics card because Thunderbolt 2 does not have the bandwidth. Thunderbolt 2 is the same as PCIE 2.0 at four lanes. Many Graphics cards can exceed that. Thunderbolt 3 is better but the Mac Pro still does not have Thunderbolt 3.
[Craig Seeman] ”
It only get’s better with Thunderbolt 3 which will have the bandwidth to support external GPUs.”Thunderbolt 3 is good but it does not have the same amount of bandwidth as PCIE 3.0 at 16 lanes.
[Craig Seeman] “I even have the freedom to daisy chain with Thunderbolt. Can’t do that with built in PCIe slots.”
PC users can use Thunderbolt 3 as well so I don’t see your point or how you can do something I cannot. Having said that your are confused about the band width. Some things can be daisy chained others cannot because of bandwidth limitation of Thunderbolt 2. The Mac Pro only has Thunderbolt 2 not Thunderbolt 3 . Even with Thunderbolt 3 you wouldn’t want to daisy chain two GTX 1080s. All the PCs at the time of the Mac Pro 2013 had PCIE 3.0. Why not have PCIE and Thunderbolt 3?
[Craig Seeman] “Mac run Windows too. Once external GPUs are fully supported, They’ll be that much more freedom especially for those who may want to use FCPX but prefer working in Windows for other software.”
A GTX 1080 will exceed the specs of Thunderbolt 2. Had the Mac Pro had PCIE slots you might have been able to add a Thunderbolt 3 PCIE cards. Do you kind of see my point?
Having said that why would I want my graphics card outside of my computer? Why not just get an ITX case?
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The guy seemed honest and sincerer. Having said that the end result is bigger than a mATX computer without true PCIE slots or expansion bays. Expansion bays can be used for card readers, Blu-ray players hot swappable drive bays. The video below shows some cool gadgets at about five minutes in.
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[Bill Davis] “My friend Patrick Southern was the AE on “OJ Speaks, the Hidden Tapes” programs for A&E and as such, had to digitize MOUNTAINS of depositions and historical content off all sorts of tapes from 1″ to BetaSP to VHS.”
[Bill Davis] “In the end, they dumped ALL the external box approaches including those via high-end Hollywood transfer services – and simply plugged in appropriate tape decks via Firewire and digitized directly into X.”
I have never used 1″ tape but I used to work with 3/4″ and Beta before the digital formats hit the market. The generic IEEE Fire Wire DV converters are the simplest to use and probably the best option for SD content. No drivers needed for FCP, Premiere, Avid, Vegas etc. I have the Canopus ADVC 110 but Canopus used to make some $350-$850.00 DV converts. The more expensive DV converters have BNC connectors and also offer full deck control. I was told Canopus no longer makes any converters. I don’t doubt that is true. There used to be about 8 or 9 companies making them back in the day for as little as $99.99. Companies like ADS, Dazzle, Pinnacle, DAC, Canopus and many more. It was a real inexpensive way to monitor SD content on a broadcast quality monitor. I hate to look at interlaced video on the computer screen.
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[Robin S. Kurz] “[andy patterson] “How do you equate not wanting plugins with me thinking Premiere is perfect?”
Okay. So you’re not clear on the whole point of plugins. Okay.”
I am clear on plugins. They give extra features to any given program. Like when using the CC from Canopus for the DV Storm or the CC for the Matrox RT 2000. Only the plugin effects were real-time. They have their own little GUI window.
[Robin S. Kurz] “[andy patterson] “Didn’t Wes Plate make a plugin like Automatic Duck for FPX and Motion?”
Yepp. 99 bucks. So? Still waiting for the missing $660,01… which you clearly can’t quantify, but merely pulled out… oh never mind.”
It would be up to you to decide what CC plugin you want or what VR plugin in you want. My point is Premiere has some features FCPX does not. Instead of paying for plugins you should want Apple to make FCPX better by adding them into the program. Is there a plugin like Adobe Anywhere? How much is it? Why not have it be part of FCPX? See my point?
[Robin S. Kurz] “[andy patterson] “Shouldn’t Apple have that built in?”
Should’ve? Why? Do you know your way around Motion? What is it you need from Motion? What is it you think everyone needs Motion for, therefore there should be additional integration above and beyond the highly intricate integration that already exists? Have you even the slightest clue what that integration entails? I’m guessing not the least bit. So I guess we’re back to the “arse” part?”
I pointed out a plugin. Having said that your comments are silly and meaningless? Obviously some people needed it or Wes Plate would not have created it. Having said that Wes seemed to figure it out. Why didn’t Apple?
[Robin S. Kurz] “[andy patterson] “but at least I do not need a 3rd party plugin to link to Premiere Pro to After Effects.”
Aha. I clearly guessed correctly. You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about and are therefore merely trolling. Ergo: this is a complete waste of my time. Cheers.”
Trolling? You are upset because I called you out on your BS. You on the other hand do not want to discuss FCPX productively. You only want to praise it. What is the point?
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[Robin S. Kurz] “[andy patterson] The price of FCPX prior to plugins $299.99. After plugins $960.00.”
We’ll also conveniently ignore that PPro CC by itself would have cost you $880 (so in 5 months you’ll have paid even more and with every additional month… you do the math) and for CC in general $2200 to date… again, only going UP.”
For me it is not the price. Plugins can be annoying. Having said that you are attacking a strawman because I do not praise the CC paradigm. In fact I have stated I like the CS paradigm better than the CC paradigm but I cannot control that. I also never stated or implied Premiere was less expensive than FCPX. In another thread I stated many people will probably switch to FCPX because it works just fine and it is less expensive than renting PP. You have to learn to respond to comments I actually make. I am saying most people will have more invested in plugins than FCPX it’s self. That is what you need to respond to. A good response would be “Andy you are right the plugins can end up costing more than FCPX. Having said that I will admit FCPX at $300.00 is a good price. Apple should ask $800.00 for it. People would still buy it for $800.00.
[Robin S. Kurz] “inal Cut Pro X, Motion and Compressor together to date? Roughly $5.80 a month. Oh right… and going DOWN with each additional month.”
Don’t forget to add $99.99 to the price : )
https://fxfactory.com/info/xsendmotion/
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[Robin S. Kurz] “[andy patterson] “I also don’t want plugins.”
Of course not. PPro is perfect as is.”
How do you equate not wanting plugins with me thinking Premiere is perfect? It makes no sense. In the Premiere Pro forum I point out the flaws of Premiere Pro CC all the time. I bet I have a bad mouthed Premiere Pro more than you have bad mouthed FCPX but I wouldn’t claim you thought FCPX was perfect if you stated you didn’t want plugins. Having said that I don’t want plugins if I can avoid them.
[Robin S. Kurz] “[andy patterson] The price of FCPX prior to plugins $299.99. After plugins $960.00.”
You of course wouldn’t care to break that down, right? You know, the whole “arse” thing and all?
– RK”
Don’t you need a plugin for VR?. Didn’t Wes Plate make a plugin like Automatic Duck for FPX and Motion? Shouldn’t Apple have that built in? I forget the name of the plugins to give FCPX all the color correction options of Premiere Pro. Having said that the color correction plugins have their own little mini GUI. It is like the plugins that Premiere had to use when using the Matrox RT 2000 or the Canopus DV Storm. I found that to be annoying. Premiere Pro is not perfect but at least I do not need a 3rd party plugin to link to Premiere Pro to After Effects.
https://fxfactory.com/info/xsendmotion/
Well there you have the break down. Having said that how much does the FCPX arse plugin cost : )
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There are overlay options when you export (render). Not sure if that will do exactly what you need.
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[Robin S. Kurz] “[andy patterson] “Your own work and data? You don’t have to use the storage options of the CC service. ”
Do tell: how many CC PPro and AE projects do you have access to once you opt out of the ol’ subscription to maybe switch elsewhere or figure having already paid thou$and$ to date is enough? How about InDesign, or maybe Lightroom? Hmmmm…”
You are not loosing your work and data unless it is on the cloud. You would no longer have access to the software if you opt out of CC. That is different than loosing your work and data. Anyone still on the cloud can finish your work because your work and data are not lost as you claim.
[Robin S. Kurz] ”
[andy patterson] “Having said that even if they had the CS 12.5 Master Collection on DVD for $299.99 and only $49.99 for the upgrades (DVDs) you still wouldn’t buy it ”Right. Never mind that I bought every iteration of the CS there ever was. ???? You know me so well. Clearly.”
Can you take a photo with all the CS versions? Even if you did have every version of CS it would not mean you like it today. I don’t doubt you liked After Effects and Photoshop but you probably liked to take digs at Premiere even if you did have the CS Suite. See my point?
[Robin S. Kurz] “[andy patterson] “because you hate Adobe and I can prove it. ”
Huh?? What the… ????
Oh, but please, do. Can’t wait.[andy patterson] “There was no activation prior to CC.”
LOL… right. Silly me. I was just imagining things.
https://adobe.ly/2j7jq8A
https://adobe.ly/2j7l61T
Don’t click those. They’re clearly fake Adobe pages. You’re of course right. I’m just making it up because I so totally hate Adobe. Damn. You got me. ????[andy patterson] “I could talk out my arse”
I’m sorry…could?
Thanks for the expert insight. Keep it up. ????????
– RK”
I think you Googled that link. Am I correct? Perhaps you should have read it. The link above is talking about an invalid product code key glitch for Acrobat and Audition. Premiere Pro was not affected and Audition was not part of the Production Premium or Master Collection at that time. I did not know as a video editor you relied on Acrobat and Audition that much. Unless you bought Audition or Acrobat how would you have disappearing “activations” at the worst possible times as you claim? Having said that it was a one shot over the phone fix.
[Robin S. Kurz] “Even when I had a legitimate license for CS6 and before, I still only ever used a hacked version after being ****ed over by disappearing “activations” at the worst possible times and needing hours if not days of getting it figured out and back to work.”
Think link above is for CC. Yes there have been problems with the CC activation. I never said otherwise but your claim about disappearing activations prior to CS 6 is pure BS. Having said that people who use the CC would say the activation works pretty damn good and would not be a valid reason for leaving the CC. You posting links trying to make things worse than than they are helps prove my point about you talking BS.
As I stated there is no activation for CS 4 and CS 5.5 only a product code key. I could do a video if you like : )
Having said that what you are doing with the first link is looking at a minor glitch then trying to claim it as the norm for Adobe users.
I actually watched a video a few months ago where a guy had problems installing FCPX. He stated people in the FCPX forums were mean to him. Perhaps they were. I wish I had saved the video. Are you going to start bad mouth FCPX because a few people are experiencing problems? Having said that look at all the problems with FCPX and the Mac Book Pro. I myself think it is a glitch and not the norm for FCPX.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni-n-Q49iGg
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[Scott Witthaus] “No thank you. Focus on a new title tool please. Or the tilde bug.”
You want FCPX to work on a new title tool or Premiere? If Premiere Pro what features are missing in Premiere Pro’s titling tool from FCPX titling tool?
I also don’t want plugins. The price of FCPX prior to plugins $299.99. After plugins $960.00.