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Avid VS Premiere VS FCPX VS Edius?
I know a lot of people have to use 3rd party hardware to capture video. I like to use 3rd party hardware for playback on broadcast compliant equipment more than capturing video. I did some testing with the Blackmagic Design Intensity Shuttle and the Canopus ADVC 110 using two different software programs. Do both software programs give the same results? You would have to watch the videos below to find out.
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Well, since the Intensity Shuttle can do HD, and the Canopus is limited to SD…specifically DV…stands to reason that the Intensity would be better.
Shane
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Well…I guess that it’s a “VERSUS” thing…and they work with FCX?
Shane
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Woohoo- if the bar is set at S-Video they should all do well…
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[Shane Ross] “Well, since the Intensity Shuttle can do HD, and the Canopus is limited to SD…specifically DV…stands to reason that the Intensity would be better.”
That is true but the Canopus ADVC 110 is easier to use if all you wanted to do was capture VHS tapes. With Premiere Pro it can also output any resolution and any aspect ration to SD. You could out put 1800 X 800 and the aspect ration would be correct although it would be down converted to 720 X 480. They used to sell DV converters for $110.00 but they have become a thing of the past. The Intensity does do all forms of Broadcast compliant HD but if you wanted to do 1920 X 800 for a website it could output the video to a 16:9 HD monitor but it would look funky. Premiere was able to get a little more functionality with both devices over Edius 8.0 although Edius 8.2 is out now. I am not sure what the results for FCXP, Resolve or Avid would be but it would be interesting to know. Maybe someone will post the results using FCPX or Avid using video capture cards fro AJA or Matrox.
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[Oliver Peters] “What does the subject matter have to do with the title of the topic?”
The only software titles I had were Edius and Premiere Pro but I hope someone will post the results using FCPX or Avid with video capture cards from AJA or Matrox. Maybe they will maybe they won’t. I myself would like to know the results. I thought it was interesting that Premiere could get a little more functionality out of both devices than Edius 8.0. Having said that Edius could make use of both devices as they were intended to be used. Premiere Pro just pushed both devices beyond their intended purpose. I would be interested in hearing other people’s results even if they cannot make a short video demo. Who knows maybe FCPX or Avid can get even more functionality out of 3rd party devices than Premiere Pro.
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[Shane Ross] “Well…I guess that it’s a “VERSUS” thing…and they work with FCX?”
I know they work with FCPX as well as Avid. I am hoping others will post their results. Can FCPX out put any aspect ratio using the AVDC 110 or the Intensity Shuttle? Can Sony Vegas out put 1800 X 800 using the Intensity Shuttle? The reason I made my post is to get feedback. I would be interested in getting the results from other software programs and even other hardware vendors like AJA and Matrox.
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[Noah Kadner] “Woohoo- if the bar is set at S-Video they should all do well…”
Native 4K Red One R3D files are not the same thing as S-Video.
Premiere will let you output 4K to 720X480 standard resolution using the Canopus ADVC 110. Edius would not. Will FCPX allow you to do the same thing? If you have a DV converter set up a 4K timeline and test it. I would like to know the results. That is why I started this thread. I hope to get feedback about FCPX as well as Avid using 3rd party hardware.
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[andy patterson] “but I hope someone will post the results using FCPX or Avid with video capture cards from AJA or Matrox”
First off, FCX doesn’t capture from tape…unless it’s DV or HDV, and when it does that, it only does it via firewire. The only way to get non-DV/HDV footage into FCX via a capture card is to use the Capture Card’s own capture software. FCX doesn’t believe that tape exists anymore. And while it is VERY rare to shoot on tape anymore, there is a lot of footage that exists on tape that is needed to capture for archival type shows. So FCX doesn’t do this…it only uses IO hardware for output to monitors.
Avid…captures, outputs…Adobe Premiere…captures/outputs…and they all use AJA, Blackmagic Design, Matrox (Although Matrox options are getting fewer and far between).
But capturing ProRes or DNxHD via hardware cards…there really isn’t much difference. Both do well, both look stellar.
[andy patterson] “Premiere Pro just pushed both devices beyond their intended purpose. “
In what way? Their intended purpose is to input and output a video signal. What does Premiere do to them beyond that?
[andy patterson] “Who knows maybe FCPX or Avid can get even more functionality out of 3rd party devices than Premiere Pro.”
What functionality are you looking for? AJA/BMD/MATROX all offer hardware up conversion and down conversion…and HD cross conversion. And scaling from 4K to HD and SD. What else are you expecting? NO NLE utilized them for any hardware acceleration of any sort.
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[andy patterson] “Can FCPX out put any aspect ratio using the AVDC 110 or the Intensity Shuttle? “
The Canopus is SD only…so only output ratio it does is 4:3. The Intensity Shuttle does HD and SD…so it can output 16:9 HD…and even downconvert that to 4:3 SD…either letterboxed or squeezed.
[andy patterson] “Can Sony Vegas out put 1800 X 800 using the Intensity Shuttle?”
No. Those IO devices only do broadcast frame sizes….720×480, 720×486, 1280×720, 1920×1080. 1800×800 isn’t a video signal format…none of them output to that.
Shane
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