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Avid VS Premiere VS FCPX VS Edius?
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[Bill Davis] “What blew me away at the time was that the native algorithm in X was good enough to do the ultimate storyline to master without the need to go out of house.”
What do you mean? We did that well before X with previous NLEs including “legacy”. Would you clarify?
– Oliver
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[andy patterson] “I wish other people would post images of their editing suites and their results.”
OK…here is my setup. Hackintosh (black box on the lower left next to my old MacPro, boba fett sticker on it):
4.0Ghz i7 (turbo up to 4.4Ghz)
32 GB RAM
2x500GB SSD drives (one with MacOS, the other with Windows 10)
NVidia GTX 980 GPU w/4GB RAM
3x3TB SATA drives in internal sleds.
See this link for full list of parts:https://lfhd.net/2016/08/27/saga-of-the-amphibi-hack-part-1/
Attached to it via Thunderbolt 2 is a BlackMagic Ultrastudio 4K Extreme, and then to that is a Flanders Scientific LM-2340W broadcast monitor. And it’s running Resolve in the picture provided.
Now, while I don’t do a lot of capturing of tapes these days, I do also have an AJA IoXT that I connect to my laptop, a 2010 MacBook Pro. That does the upconvert using a hardware scaler and the results are great. I really should test it against my Ultrastudio though…I know that it also has a hardware scaler…before BMD only did scaling in software.
I mainly work in HD…althought I have had one project in 4K, and I simply scaled that down to 1080p to play on my monitor. Color space is the same.
Shane
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[Shane Ross] “OK…here is my setup. Hackintosh (black box on the lower left next to my old MacPro, boba fett sticker on it):”
How do you think this would benchmark against the latest BTO iMac? The latter runs about $4K and seems to have similar components.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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I’ve run benchmarks…it outperforms the latest iMac. From part 2 of the build (which was not easy, due to bad components, but a fun story):
https://lfhd.net/2016/09/01/saga-of-the-amphibi-hack-part-2/
“Here’s a test I ran on the system…CINEBENCH. The processor tests better than a current iMac, although slower than a current MacPro (if 2013 is considered ‘current’). That’s pretty good, if you ask me. But what I really like is that the GPU tested higher than both. And the GPU is the main thing Resolve relies on, and that, along with Avid Media Composer, are the main apps I intend to use. ”
The processor won’t beat the dual xenons in the MacPros…those are $2400-$3500 processors. I could do a build on them, and it’d still be half price of the MacTube, but the boards those processors work on that also run the MacOS, don’t have thunderbolt of any kind, and I need TB for my IO and my RAID.
But yes, that’s why I built my Hack. I spec’d out the iMac I wanted, and it was just shy of $4000 ($3970)…so I looked at the components I could get and they all beat the iMac, and the total cost was under $1600. And I have more internal storage (3×3.5 slots, 2.5 sized drive slots), PCIe slots, a far better GPU. The drawbacks being that I need to tread carefully when it comes to OS updates.
Shane
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[Shane Ross] “The drawbacks being that I need to tread carefully when it comes to OS updates.
“So, just to be clear, app updates won’t cause problems, just OS updates?
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App updates are fine…as long as they are compatible with the OS I am running. Which currently is 10.10.5, but I’m looking at 10.11 soon. Even downloaded apps from the App store (Compressor) and they work fine. Apple, nicely, will notice what OS you are running and allow download of versions of apps compatible with that version (Pages, Numbers)
Shane
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[Shane Ross] “Attached to it via Thunderbolt 2 is a BlackMagic Ultrastudio 4K Extreme, and then to that is a Flanders Scientific LM-2340W broadcast monitor. And it’s running Resolve in the picture provided.”
Cool.
[Shane Ross] “Now, while I don’t do a lot of capturing of tapes these days, I do also have an AJA IoXT that I connect to my laptop, a 2010 MacBook Pro. That does the upconvert using a hardware scaler and the results are great. I really should test it against my Ultrastudio though…I know that it also has a hardware scaler…before BMD only did scaling in software.”
That would make for a good thread.
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[Oliver Peters] “What do you mean? We did that well before X with previous NLEs including “legacy”. Would you clarify?”
Sure. My presumption (once upon a time) was that if you start with a low quality master like VHS – the high-end boxes would add some mojo (beyond something like a good TBC or similar frame shaker) – to enhance the result.
Turns out not so.
The quality of the X direct digitizations was plenty to maximize the result.
I had (nor have) a clue about if the other NLEs do exactly the same thing. I was only concerned with my own workflow at the time.
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[Bill Davis] “Sure. My presumption (once upon a time) was that if you start with a low quality master like VHS – the high-end boxes would add some mojo (beyond something like a good TBC or similar frame shaker) – to enhance the result.”
OK, I see what you were saying. I didn’t realize this still applied to up conversions.
[Bill Davis] “The quality of the X direct digitizations was plenty to maximize the result.”
I would point out that based on my own work, IMHO no other NLE (with the possible exception of Smoke) holds a candle to the quality of Resolve when it comes to software up-conversions. X is good, but not as good as Resolve. Plus there you get several settings variations from softer to crisper. Likewise, I also feel that After Effects’ up-conversion is better than what FCPX and/or Compressor are doing. The Apple results tend to be softer than other choices.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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[Oliver Peters] “I would point out that based on my own work, IMHO no other NLE (with the possible exception of Smoke) holds a candle to the quality of Resolve when it comes to software up-conversions. X is good, but not as good as Resolve. Plus there you get several settings variations from softer to crisper. Likewise, I also feel that After Effects’ up-conversion is better than what FCPX and/or Compressor are doing. The Apple results tend to be softer than other choices.”
Fair enough..
I’ll just note that when I was in the heart of my SD to digital content conversions some years back, Resolve was a grading tool that barely edited – and of course I’m still firmly against the Adobe rental thing. So I’m glad to have a tool that still does it perfectly well, that I don’t have to pay monthly to use – and for which the learning curve is LONG in my past.
Good enough for A&E HD broadcast is generally plenty good enough for me.
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The shortest path to FCP X mastery.
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