[Shawn Alyasiri]

Jenn,

If you want to shoot 1/48 with the 2000 in 1080/720/480 24 frame mode, use the ‘HALF’ shutter setting (that’s your 180 setting). You’re obviously going to lose sensitivity, but that’s how you do it.

If you keep the shutter off, the shutter will follow the frame-rate. You’ll gain sensitivity, but you’ll also gain more motion blur in 24/30p (1/24 or 1/30 shutter).

I use ‘HALF’ for 24/30p with my 2000’s, and turn it off for 60i/60p.

Happy shootin’…

[Shawn Alyasiri]

Or wait for the P2 3700 coming out…

[Shawn Alyasiri]

I have seen nothing to suggest the imager will be any different/enhanced, etc, if not the very same.

I was able to bite my thumb last year when they stuck the under-overcrank capability in the 500 but not the 2000. From a marketing aspect, putting it in the 2000 (obviously a superior imager to the 500) would/could have been a direct competition to the tape based varicam sales. Fine – whatever… At least I got to spend the year with two beautiful native 720 P2 cameras, and they performed wonderfully… Great flexibility, popping colors, and impressive sensitivity.

To see the (potential and probable) price hike a year later on what is appearing to be math/software is bewildering. Fine then – $10k for math – but why then is it possible to put it in the 500?

I’m not trying to underestimate the components, production, engineering/programming for an unveiled product line/cycle, etc. Should it cost more? Most probably – especially $3K more MSRP for the intra card alone. Again, it’s the other speculated/expected amount that I’m not completely ‘getting’.

Maybe the logo is made of gold? The name is certainly worth something…

All unitentional bickering aside – I want 1 or 2 – solely for the name, and the occasional flexibility of anticipated/creative overcranking. Of course, I’ll feel better if I know what I’m paying for, especially after the first $100K worth or devotion to the line.

Right now it feels like last year’s car with a better logo, a racing stripe, and the affordable transmission mod that was available last fall. I think sometimes these things just happen in production, especially if someone doesn’t say something. Doesn’t mean it necessarily has to(?).

Throw your stones…

[Shawn Alyasiri]

The 2700 is no doubt going to be a lovely camera – ironically, I already feel like I own 90% of it.

I own just about every current P2 device you can think of (HPM110 with intra, all the monitors, (10) 32gb cards and peripherals, 200a/800 cams & much more), including (2) HPX2000’s – one that has the AVC-Intra card added.

As far as I’m concerned, my 2000 with the intra card is the same camera as the upcoming 2700, minus a 2-position filter wheel (which is ironically on the overseas 2100), another HDSDI spigot, and the under/overcrank firmware that they make available on the cheaper 200/500 models. Okay – Film-rec and CAC too… but again, software, right?

From a technical sense, it’s the same front end, etc, correct?

So – pro-rate it. Where does the extra $10-$15K (conservative MSRP) come from? $15K list for firmware they put on $5k models, or the 2/3″ 500 that you could get last month for 8K?

I’m always happy to hear where I’m wrong. Yes – of course, this is the superior imager to the 200/500 – still, the same one as the 2000 though, right? So – would I expect similar images side by side with my 2000 and a 2700 in 720p or 1080i – yes (non film-rec mode of course). Can I shoot 40p with my 2000 – no. Can I overcrank 60p into the 110 at 24pN and get sloMo with the 2000 in the field – yes. I feel like I’m a software build away.

Personally, I think it’s nothing more than price/market protection of their tape-based varicams. As those still sell and eventually sunset, they can still keep the ’40ish’ price, and the stair-step in the product/pricing line. Panny was my first stop at NAB – I was really excited at first, thinking the 2700 was a 2.2 imager at the ’45k’ price point (a do everything cam). I’ve been trying to decipher the specifics since then, knowing quickly there after it’s the 1.1 imager like mine.

I really hope this 2700 hits with a (somewhat) relative and pro-rated street price to the 2000 (somewhat of a final beg to Panny sales), all things considered of course. Add a couple bucks – sure. Add enough that you could almost buy another 2000 – hmmmmm? I’m in the market for a 3rd or 4th bigger camera this/next year – would love to continue giving you all of my money.

I haven’t found a salesperson/dealer yet that disagrees with me once we get into the details.

Show me light…

[Shawn Alyasiri]

It will work no problem…

You’ll have to keep in mind what flavor you’re recording. I’ve used it successfully in ‘DV’ mode to record to the FS100 & the FS4.

In DV50 mode, I’ve written successfully to the FS100 – writing P2 files. Never Tried DVCAM 25.

Yes – it will work with the P2 cards as well, in a slaved or non-slaved mode.

Only complaint I had was that sometimes it took a little finaggling for the firestore to start recording (ie: unplugging the firewire cable, etc).

Of course – you’ll have to have the firewire option installed – that’s not a factory issued item.

Best of luck…

[Shawn Alyasiri]

This camera has native 720 chipset similar to the varicam (Total: 1370 (H) x 744 (W), Active: 1280 (H) x 720 (W)) and it pixel shifts up for 1080. I think the 1080 images from it look great…

960×720 is the way it records to DVCPROHD 720 – like the Varicam.
1280×1080 is the way it records to DVCPROHD 1080 – like the HDX900. This is just the way DVCPROHD works… Same with the HVX200.

Of course, you can get the new Intra (pro) board, and that will allow you to have 1280×720 (720) or 1440×1080 or 1920×1080 recording with the 264 codec. Looking forward to trying it – although I hear you need quite a system to process these files.

The 2000 (and HPM100) got it’s firmware last week – 16/32 gig compatibility, and you have pN modes in 720 now as well.

[Shawn Alyasiri]

Barry,

Please bribe Panny to change the name back to AVC-PRO or AVC-ULTRA, whatever they were thinking in the early days. I think this question is going to come up more than not – and soon enough people are going to think you’re bidding jobs with a consumer camera, rather than a $100k rig.

I plan on sticking the cards in on my 2000/HPM – As I understand it, you need a pretty beefy system to work with these files – lovely but ‘involved’ compression(?).

[Shawn Alyasiri]

Glad that Panny is catching up, taking costs into greater consideration, etc, but it’s also too bad to see this happen…

I always appreciate those folks that take a stab at making other options available – some options work, some don’t, but at least at a minimum some try.

I’m a small business guy and I always reflect on the capital it takes to continually make things happen (or trying to make things happen). The folks trying to make this little widgit obviously put a lot of time, heart, and cash into it – probably got fairly close too…

My personal thanks to those for trying – and certainly thanks for not putting it out early and ripping people off…

[Shawn Alyasiri]

Thanks for the generous offer. I ftp’ed a short clip up to Canopus to their site and it took 7-10 hours (had to do it repeatedly because the server would reset, the files would delete after 24 hours, etc) – and that was 400-600mb. I’ve got a short section of examples put together exported back to P2 from Edius that’s 4 minutes – around 3.5 Gig.

Is there any way I could put it on a DVD and send it somewhere for you to retrieve? You can PM from info at (www.renvid.com). Otherwise, I’m going to the HD expo next week in Chicago. If you were going to be there, I could deliver it.

Otherwise, I don’t have an FTP, but I can try to figure something out. I just know it would get time/space consuming based on the content.

Will defer to your suggestions & wishes. Thanks again for your generosity, and for your words of optimism. Your assistance is enormously appreciated.

[Shawn Alyasiri]

Yes – I definitely agree – I’ve done dozens (probably at least 100) of tests at 720×480. I had only tried the 853×480 size when you mentioned it in your post above. It actually looks pretty good on a computer monitor played back.

No matter what I do, I end up with SD DVD’s that have edge scaling/tearing/jags. My most ‘successful’ experiment was taking DVCPRO HD 1080 60i footage, creating a 1920×1080 master (for blu Ray etc), then putting that back on an HDV tape (1440×1080) – not my preference – and playing that back into Edius via 480 component from a z1 camera. It provided the smoothest results and retained a decent amount of color. It’s also incredibly time consuming and a lossy process. I can’t seem to get any software solution to mimic what I’ve seen with hardware downconversion (in camera, Aja mini boxes and Z1 after HDV conversion).

It’s been a very frustrating process trying to get this beautiful HD footage to look good on an SD DVD. I would love any opportunity to send you footage, have a short discussion, etc. I wanted to pick up another 2000 (I actually have interest running on money alotted for it), but can’t buy it until this is resolved. It’s also getting me behind in my current stuff, and making me nervous about how I shoot the current jobs. Any opportunity to discuss this with you is infinitely appreciated (www.renvid.com). I’ve tried everything I could, including calling around the nation (Panny, Canopus, etc). I feel like you’re one of my last hopes. Thanks very much as always.