Bob Zelin
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ALL LCD monitors LOOK LIKE CRAP with standard def signals. The following monitors look like crap with Standard Def video –
Sony SDM-P234b
Dell 2405FPW
Apple Cinema 23″
Sony LUMA LMD-232
Sony LMD-1410 (designed for composite standard def only).
And now, we have added your Samsung to the list.Sorry – you ain’t gonna find ANY LCD monitor at ANY PRICE that looks good with Standard def.
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Jeremy is very clear, but if you need it drilled into your head Chris – Kona 2 DOES NOT HAVE ANALOG INPUTS FOR YOUR BETA VTR’s, and buying an I/O or I/O LA is a hell of a lot cheaper than buying converters. You buy BOTH – I/O and Kona 2.
Bob Zelin
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I have just installed a RANE AVA 22d audio delay (for a 4 frame delay) to compensate for the Plasma delay. I am surprised that I have not heard more complaints about “I can’t work with this delay problem on these plasmas” from more people.
Bob Zelin
ps – as you know, you can’t get a PVM-20L5/1 from anyone anymore – it’s over.
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The Beta UVW 1800 is an analog Beta VTR. The External Reference jack on the back is expecting to see NTSC (or PAL) color black, from a color black or sync generator, like a Horita BSG-50. You can try all kinds of silly tricks and loops, but the CORRECT thing to do is to put color black into the Ref Video In of the Beta 1800. If you don’t do this, you get
“Error -093 NON STD REF”.SDI is SERIAL DIGITAL INTERFACE – this is a digital video signal that is designed to go into the input of a Digital VTR, like a Sony DVW-A500 Digi Beta machine.
You may get lots of people responding to your question, saying “loop this, try this”, etc, but the CORRECT THING to do is to simply buy a $289 color black generator, and your problems will be over.
PS – this applies to EVERY CAPTURE CARD, and editing system ever manufacturered, including AVID and Sony. This is NOT a Blackmagic problem – the only problem is weather you are willing to get a black generator.
Bob Zelin
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Amr –
where you get such false information is beyond me. Bluefish DOES NOT support AVID Xpress realtime, nor is there ANY HARDWARE – even from AVID – that works with AVID Xpress Pro except the horrible AVID Mojo box. Your false information is dangerous. Repent !from the Bluefish site (and there is no info from the AVID site) –
January 20th , 2005, Bluefish444 Sth. Melbourne, Australia, announced today that it has collaborated with Avid Technology, Inc. to create an uncompressed HD SDI 10 bit RGB 4:4:4 DPX workflow solution to transfer uncompressed 10 bit RGB files seamlessly between the Sony SRW5000 VTR and the Avid -
OK, I am researching this product, and I must admit – I am intrigued
by this LCD monitor. It’s expensive for a 17″ monitor, but it does not require any HD option cards to display HD, and it “claims” that it has a built in waveform monitor – which would make this the cheapest HD scope from anyone on the market – in addition to the fact that it must be at least an “ok” monitor for 3000 bucks.Considering it does SDI, HD-SDI, and has a waveform monitor function, it seems like the perfect editor monitor for the AJA Kona 2. I am getting “caught up” in the printed info on this monitor, although nowhere on the web is a sample picture of the waveform display.
Bob Zelin
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I Love the Dell because it’s so cheap (and it’s very good), but it does not
have a dramatically better contrast ratio with 720p or 1080i images than the Apple Cinema display. I don’t care what the spec says.Bob Zelin
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I just looked this up. I am intrigued by the built in waveform monitor, but I can tell you that a 17″ monitor is SMALL – and this monitor is not cheap (I believe around $3000) – I have used an Ikegami 17″ HD monitor (CRT) and it is small when you are used to a Sony PVM-20L5/1. So for this money, it seems expensive – especially when the 50″ Panasonic TH50PHD8UK is the same amount – $3000.
Bob Zelin
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what an interesting thread. Many choices are made due to seeing these displays at manufacturers booths at trade shows, or recommendations directly from the manufacturers. I am sure that countless displays work, but everyone discusses the same products, because that’s all they ever hear about.
The original was the Apple Cinema display 23″, becuase Blackmagic came out with the HD Link.
AJA soon followed with the HDP (HD-SDI to DVI converter), and not only recommended the Apple Cinema display, but the Sony SDM-P234b, which could display at 24p (48 Hz) image, and would not scale it like the Cinema display. I used this monitor extensively, but it’s the same crap as the Cinema display.
AVID (becuase of the AVID DS and their deal with HP) pushed the HP 2335. The HP had Y Pb Pr inputs on the side of the monitor as well, so you didn’t need the HD Link or AJA HDP. AVID HD users were pushed towards the HP 2335.
Then DELL came out with the 2405FPW, which was reviewed on Barefeats. It was the same crap, but it was CHEAP. Cheap is important to professional users, so there was a flurry of Dell purchases. Big guns like AJA and Blackmagic “approved” this monitor, so it was accepted.
At NAB2005, almost every booth showing HD except for Sony used the Panasonic
TH50PHD7UK (now called the 8UK). This became the # 1 plasma monitor of choice – becuase everyone saw it everywhere at NAB2005, and it did 1366×768.
Since it dropped in price to $3000, everyone wanted it (and it looks better than any LCD screen I mentioned above).Of course, everyone is “talking” about the eCinema display – this is a 23″ display that is “critical”, but costs about $14,000. It’s tough to buy a $14,000 monitor when you can get the Dell 2405FPW for under $1000 with the right discount code at the DELL website.
NOW, I saw the Samsung 46″ 460P at the NSCA tradeshow in March 2005. NO PROFESSIONAL MANUFACTURER has “approved” this monitor, but I can assure you, it’s the largest and brightest LCD screen I EVER SAW – much brighter and sharper than the Cinema, Dell, HP, or Sony. Will it work properly with our professional equipment ???? I have no idea – and at $4800 street price (PC Connection has it in stock) – I am not going to be the guinea pig that finds out.
Bottom line – LCD monitors all look about the same (even the small, horrible Astro systems field monitor). Some people just love to buy Apple, but you will get the same value with the Dell. Please remember that I have NOT seen the eCinema in person, but I doubt my clients will ever spend $14,000 on a 23″ screen.
Bob Zelin
ps – people who own the “old” Sony PVM-20L5/1 CRT monitor are kissing the ground. -
turning it off, and then on again, makes things magically work.
Bob Zelin