Richard Milner
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[Norm Kern] “then I guess it’s time to look elsewhere for my next system”
What would you look at?
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[Ron Shook] “I hope so too, but it’s not like everyone else is rushing to the MXF party”
You speak the truth, but things may be changing. The big issue stopping MXF is integration into applications. It’s a chicken or egg thing. You can’t use MXF cause it’s not in the application. It won’t be in the application because more people aren’t using it.
The standardization process has taken lots of time. For example, it’s taken over 10 years from the initial steps to try and create digital standards for video to arrive at where we are now.
One of the first efforts was DVision,Microsoft, Matrox, Truevision with the Open DML (Digital media language). That effort was too driven by Microsoft, so Apple wasn’t coming on board. This killed the effort.
It wasn’t until the late 90’s when SMPTE and the EBU came out with a joint report– about integrating TV production into traditional IT– that the pace of progress picked up. AAF showed up a couple of years later followed closely by son of AAF———-MXF.
A tremendous amout of time has gone into creating MXF/AAF. The structure is set up to allow new standards to be integrated into the data structure that’s been created. Example—right now AAF and others are working on an XML version of MXF/AAF.
The question is –“have we reached the tipping point with enough of the suppliers adopting MXF-AAF parts”? We will have to wait until NAB 2006(now less than 5 months away). It will be interesting to see how many of the “editing hardware and software” companies show support at the annual April meeting in LV. If the majority do, then it’s reasonable to think that the others won’t be too far behind.
If Adobe doesn’t have a way to blend MXF/AAF into their asset managementplans( they do belong to aaf), then the people that say that PP will not be an enterprise solution for video for some time to come may be right. I hope not, but as time goes by, it is difficult to hold on –hoping there will be a cost effective solution for more advanced editing concepts like proxy editing.
In the mean time, does anyone have a list of editing tools that support MXF now?
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Well Golly Gee.
We are soooooooooooooo very “lucky”.
We won’t have to wait until NAB 2006.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BBCTechnology which is now owned by Siemens had developed a system to do this. It was built on top of a relational Database. Most of the stuff was off the shelf IT equipment. Obviously, the programming combined editing tools with the archiving needs.
A German company called Cinegy supported their efforts. In fact Cinegy has offered the system to the public, and it is being used in the one of the houses of the US Congress.
Cinegy by itself couldn’t provide the complete solution, and the Siemens folks are going after the big boys and won’t be trying to market it to smaller companies or individuals.
Others are starting to come into this space. Microsoft is trying to bridge multiple industries with the “Connected Services Framework” for the broadcast and film industries. This was introduced at NAB 2005. Everything becomes a Web service.
Microsoft describes it an an
integrated, server-based software solution, enables broadcast companies and film studios to streamline the creation, management and delivery of digital content.The first group of software hardware folks that are interested in exploring this business opportunity with Microsoft are:
Avid Technology Inc.,
North Plains Systems Corp., Asset Management and Relational DB
OmniBus Systems,
Panasonic
Telestream Inc. -
[R. Hewitt] ” doubt however that Adobe would ever add this to their product line as it requires a significant investment in additional hardware – something that Adobe don’t sell, to ensure it works and other than the professional and broadcast markets, there probably isn’t enough demand for it.”
I agree with you that Adobe wouldn’t invest in it only for professional and broadcast markets, but asset management is needed across the Adobe family of products for large corporate America as well as the smaller shops. i believe that Adobe is already reacting to this need- the first step being Bridge.
As far as the low rez- hi rez scenario, there’s nothing to stop Adobe from setting up the Bridge or PP SDK to allow integration using a plug-in architecture that allows hooks into external relational databases. Premire already assigns unique media identifiers (UMID used in AAF. these unigue identifiers makes it possible to utilize the infomation into traditional IT relational database products.
While Adobe’s software products wouldn’t be the only elements in the system, they would take advantage of their core competencys(sp).
[R. Hewitt] “What would be good is something similar based on Adobe Bridge with the option to automatically create lo-res proxies during capture. Adobe, are you listening?”
I’ve looked at the Adobe Bridge that comes with Photoshop CS. It has a long way to go before it could work that way, but it could work as long as it would allow utilization of external Relational DB tools.
It could possibly work like this.
On ingest of the video, there would be two or more data streams created
–one hi rez that would be used for final editing-
one or more that would be used intranet( 1-3mbits/second) and possibly one for Internet(150-450kbits/second). Each clip has a unique UMID.
The asset management/editing application would permanently link these clips within a relational DB.
For pre-production and preparation for editing, all the assets would be available at low rez to the producer/director via any PC. The low rez proxies makes permanent disc storage affordable. While Premiere pro would have a huge variety of tools, Only a limited set of tools for use over an intranet(100Based T)- focusing more on organizing the media than getting it down to a final cut.
The final edit would be for the “craft” editor- have the broadest set of editing tools( Adobe Video Collection?)using the hi rez media.
When the final edit is done, the hi rez stuff that is no longer needed is transfered to offline or nearline storage. Again, the cost of the media is the key. If we could store 2500 hours of 25mbit for $1,000 then there is no longer a need for the low rez high rez solution- unless the hi rez is HD.
What do you think?
Richard
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Tim,
I found this on a Google search for premiere pro 2.0 (the exact phrase)
http://www.directshopper.de/ adobe-premiere-pro-v2-en-cd-w32-retail_multimedia-cd_p – 8k –
When translated into English, it said that it would be available in 7 to 10 days. Let see how accurate they are.
Richard
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I agree with David C. We aren’t saying that you can’t cut on PP.
In my particular case, I am looking for high productivity workgroup solutions as well as more “professional” high productivity tools.
The rationale for starting this thread was just pointing out the lost opportunity for both Adobe and all us users down in the trenches by not having the more developed workgroup and tool functinalities.
And as others have already posted here, much of bitching comes from the frustration of waiting at the bottom of “Mt Sinai for Moses to come back from communing with God”. **
Richard
** The role of God in today’s performance is being played by Adobe. 🙂 -
Ty,
We have a Vinten tripod and head combo that we are currently using with the xl2. give me or Craig a call to get the particulars.
Price point is very good.
Richard
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Mark,
After reading your post, I am “Ommmmming Out” –thinking about going into “Downward Facing Dog”, and keep humming the Bobby McPheron song “Don’t Worry Be Happy”. It’s helping.
If I can at least see some significant progress towards my goals in 2.0 and an indication that the future that I envision is one that Adobe thinks that they can deliver, I will go into a semi-state of Nirvana for the long term.
Regards,
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Mark,
thanks. FYI I do Yoga twice a week. And if you aren’t doing it, I hope you’ve got some other relaxation technique to keep your mind and body tuned.
Richard
PS Sorry to get so Hippie-New Age on you. 🙂