[Ray Tragesser]

Hi Mel,

I am running a Mac 12 core machine with a Blackmagic Extreme HD card on CS-6.x and am happy with the overall performance of Premiere with an I/O card. With that said is it perfect…no, but compared to CS-5 or CS-5.5 without the new Mercury Transmit Engine it’s 1 million times better. I just tested my JKL experience on a 23.976 sequence with a combo of ProRes and Red Epic 5K raw and it was ok, certainly far from unusable.

If you think about what the data path is from your GPU back into the computer and out through your i/o card there is going to be some inherent processing time delay. Is it going to be the same as having a third computer monitor setup and connected via DVI…no. Thats the trade off, if you need HD-SDI playback then a price has to be paid.

Ray

[Ray Tragesser]

Please contact me with system information and configuration. I am interested.
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[Ray Tragesser]

Go to your project window where you have the 59.94 clips. Lasso them and then right click. Go to interpret footage and change the framerate to 23.976. From there drag to your 23.976 timeline and watch them playback in great slow motion. Once they are on the timeline, right click again and select scale to framesize to bring them up to 1080.

Good luck, happy editing.

Ray T

[Ray Tragesser]

Yeah it works totally different than final cut. If you need to display on a client monitor via the Blackmagic decklink, then it’s going to be a 1080 sequence. I would cut at 1080 then copy and paste into a 2k sequence for final export.

Ray T

[Ray Tragesser]

Make a 1080p sequence with matching framerate. Drag your source clips to the timeline and edit away. Right click on clips and select scale to frame size if you are not reframing the 2k clips. Don’t forget about the full/half/quarter resolution button under the program viewer. Depending on your system, you may or may not need to adjust this.
Lastly, make sure you are set up to use the Blackmagic card under the preferences. Also make sure you are monitoring the Blackmagic audio outputs.

Have fun!
Ray T

[Ray Tragesser]

Ben,

sorry to break the news to you, but your system is way underpowered to edit DSLR footage natively. on a stellar machine, h.264 can be a headache to decode by the CPU. your system with all the variables, ram, CPU, disk speed, well it isn’t pretty.

if I had that machine I would transcode to prores lt and call it a day.

good luck.
ray t

[Ray Tragesser]

Hi Joshua,

One more thing to add about the delay between the program monitor and the BM output. I can deal pretty easily by looking at the SDI monitor for playback, but what is a real drag is the source monitor. If I load up an audio waveform in the source monitor to do some visual editing, the delay between what I see on the screen and what I hear and how that interacts with each other is not very pleasant to work with. I happen to have a Yamaha 01V digital mixer next to me where I have programmed in some delay offsets to dedicated recall buttons, but it slows the process down. It would be great if you could get the frame delay closer between the output of the BM card and Program viewer. So I am guessing you would need to delay the program and source viewer to match the hardware processing of the BM hardware?

Looking forward to more improvement to CS-6. For my particular workflow CS-6 is 1000% better than the CS-5 series in terms of 3rd party I/O integration with BM.

Thanks
Ray T

[Ray Tragesser]

Hi Guys,

I would start from scratch after a reboot to make sure everything is ready to go. I work daily with 23.976 1080p footage and the Blackmagic card. I would suspect either your monitor is not capable of displaying true 23.976 or you have a setting that needs to be adjusted. To confirm that everything is working as expected I would do the following, this will eliminate the footage variable.

1) Make a new project

2) Create a new sequence – Confirm your settings.

3) Right click in the project panel and make a new clip of bars and tone

4) Confirm the bars and tone settings

5) Confirm your Sequence settings one more time

6) Go to Premiere Pro Preferences>Playback and make sure Blackmagic Playback is selected

7) Go to the Mac system preferences and the Blackmagic control panel and verify your settings

If your monitor is capable of working at this framerate and resolution, you should be able to play the bars and tone. If not then you need to verify your cabling and also that your monitor is capable. Many Final Cut guys and gals dont realize that Final Cut was doing a conversion at the software level to allow some monitors to playback footage that otherwise would have been impossible. Shane Ross wrote an excellent article on how Final Cut does this :
https://lfhd.net/2012/05/09/video-out-of-ppro-cs6-switching-monitoring-format/

Please let us know how it works out.
Thanks Ray

[Ray Tragesser]

@ Matt,

Glad to see you poke your head in here once and a while. BM needs to be much more active here on this forum. I realize that this is a user to user forum, but participating here once and while really makes us end users feel like your looking out for us and working with your user base. Lets see more of that from BM.

@ Group

The screen lag may not be a problem but rather the difference between panel types and processing. I never expect my desktop program monitor to be exactly in sync with my broadcast monitors. LCD and Plasma have different millisecond delay variables not to mention adding in any processing time the I/O card introduces.

The audio needs to be offset to match the panel type. This all starts off with using the audio output of the i/o card. If you dont, the audio and video will be wildly out of sync. At the same time if you are using the i/o card audio and watching the Premiere Pro program monitor, it will now appear out of sync. I use a Yamaha digital mixer and save presets for different scenariors. The digital mixer has the ability to enter delay values specific for each monitor. Expensive but needed in my setup with a roomful of clients.

@ Andre

Output to tape really needs improved from Adobe and the card I/O makers. I find myself using Blackmagic Media Express to capture and layoff to tape. I typically make master files of all projects and then load them into BM Media Express for layoff.

Have you tried that for frame accuracy?

Ray

[Ray Tragesser]

If you are using Premiere and the BM card, check your player settings in the preferences. Make sure you are using the BM player. Also you need to use the audio output of the BM card or the audio and video will be out of sync.

From the Decklink Manual

Blackmagic audio hardware is automatically chosen when a new project is created and the capture format
is set to Blackmagic Capture. Go to Preferences > Audio Hardware and verify that the Default Device is set
to Blackmagic Audio.
You may also wish to visit Preferences > Audio Output Mapping to select the mix of the multi-channel audio.
Set Map Output for to Blackmagic Audio

No matter what hardware card you are using (Aja, BM, Matrox) it will not be a perfect marriage with CS-5 or CS-5.5. That’s a known fact. Adobe is aware and there have been some comments that suggest that CS-6 will be much better at integrating third party I/O – we’ll see.

For now you’ll have to bite the bullet.