Petros Kolyvas
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Hey Tom,
Silly aside, did you drop the “S” on purpose? I know very few people who do that. It made me smile.
And yup, that’s why I don’t really have a horse in this race other than the interests of my own small ship trying to stay afloat in an ever more demanding and cost-sensitive market.
I paid for CS6 and while I would love if that investment is recognized, if it isn’t well all the projects will continue to work, as will the software and much like FCP7 didn’t disappear overnight when FCPX was released, neither will this. 🙂
I hope you have a great time at NAB – both you and Walter. Agreements or disagreements about the value of the cloud model aside, I’m greateful for both of your contributions to this community.
I wish I didn’t have so many projects lined up in early April and could be there. I’ve always wanted to attend the R.A.M.P.S./JWS get together and have yet to make it to NAB or LV.
Have fun (and get some rest amid all the excitement!)
PK
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I’m surprised Walter. Lots of issues (not so much complaint.)
Adobe is justifying the $840/year price (over the current $350/year price for Prod Premium users) with these supposed benefits (which amount to two support incidents and 100GB of Cloud Storage I don’t want to pay for.) So when I speak of CHOICE it’s that the “extras” should not be used to justify a higher price in an environment where volume licensing often mean lower overall costs.
The “teams” pricing is more expensive than the $550/year for a Master Suite collection and I’m using “box” to refer to perpetual licenses, not physical “boxes.” As I’ve said in other threads, the choice is gone. No editor we work with needs InDesign or Flash, or Fireworks or Dreamweaver (though I like having those tools) and making us pay for them adds insult to injury.
When I say “boxed” I mean “Boxed copies” vs cloud copies. We still download everything through LWS for our TLP purchases. Haven’t used a software box since FCS3.
So yeah, posts like the ones I’m quoting are huge propaganda-fests to justify a $500-per-user cost increase for seats that were annual (or even bi-annual) Production Premium upgrades.
I’m not sure why all the Adobe defence actually. I’ve used the software, I like it within reason and we’ve had a good, even great, year with CS6. It doesn’t mean I’m going to take a 100+% price increase in my annual seat costs (to stay current) without looking at the alternatives, no matter what features any company (Adobe or otherwise) has added.
Regarding the two editors having the same project open (Anywhere), fair enough, but that feature hasn’t been widely advertised yet and it’s still not worth a $1500 extra to me (annual updates go from about $1250 to $2560 for three seats in our case), when at that price other alternatives become quite viable, especially considering that’s a guaranteed annual price and doesn’t include any of the extra tools we use and pay for.
Again though, this is for “us” (as in our little shop) not “we/us” as in all editors. To each their own of course and thankfully using CS6 won’t cost us a cent extra so I’m happy we didn’t jump for “the cloud” earlier.
I’m glad the cloud offers advantages for some, but the business pricing doesn’t make sense for a great number of users. You have to commit to an-all Adobe service agreement and service has rarely been one of their strong points from my experience.
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Which is exactly what I’ve been saying all along (publicly only recently) but I ran the math as soon as the “Teams” pricing was released because it’s insane for small shops who are already volume license customers AND who see no value added in their cloud-benefit claims.
As a TLP customer – I’ve never “picked-up” a boxed copy since we started on the TLP/LWS setup, it’s all been “download” and Adobe’s LWS system is actually quite good. We can retrieve serials, get license certificates, etc. It’s very easy to manage. Each seat has the same Serial, licenced for X number of workstations and the same 1 desktop/1 laptop installation applies. We were quite pleased with this setup; it’s allowed us to run licensed Adobe software easily.
And I’m happy, genuinely happy, to pay for the tools that meet our needs. But a $500-per-year increase per seat would be a lot to swallow. I hope I am totally wrong.
My initial “Teams” rebuttal is here:
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And while I think Creative Cloud is a poor choice in in current “Teams” form for volume license customers, I know so many single-users for whom Creative Cloud is the first time they’ve giving any money to Adobe.
Many freelancers I know here, sadly, have rarely/never paid for their software and the thought for some of them of putting up the $1600-$1800 buy-in cost for a CS license is a lot as an initial sum. We could go into how they pay that much for a computer but somehow don’t see the same value in software, but that’s another philosophical discussion for another time.
To the issue at hand, Creative Cloud is a great way to start for many users who have no equity in Adobe software and only need “their” copy.
But I imagine the amazing uptake rates don’t reflect the position of volume license customers. Maybe businesses just need to start handing out “cloud” allowances to users and then it becomes a write off and a gift, as they’d get to use it at home for as long as I felt like paying for it. Still, the cost would be dramatically higher than it is now, but (at the same time) employees would feel like they’re getting a little something extra.
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If you receive such love, would you mind sharing it with us here? We could send thank you letters to the staffer and such… 😉
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If you’re at a loss, perhaps clearing our Premiere’s Preference’s might help?
Digital Rebelling has a few tools to help you do it easily if you’re not comfortable hunting around the for the application preferences, but googling as much will give you the kind of information you might need to re-set Premiere.
Also, is the behaviour you describe when you open Premiere itself (without loading a project) or when you try to run Premiere by opening a project from Finder?
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That’s a good point – we’re all discussing a hypothetical here for the time being.
The thing is, that we do have some information (from a cost perspective) to make a judgement on how the current Cloud implementation for certain user bases would affect them financially; but hopefully dispassionately.
Also, a few other situations are being explored on how a self-terminating license might change our behaviour in the long run – at the very least I think it’s good we’re here discussing all the possibilities – it helps each of us make an informed decision on whats right for us, our work, our businesses, our requirements.
I’ve never been an Adobe fan, but at the same time, never been a hater, because none of this requires any emotion to begin with. CS5.5. and CS6 were good products for us, looking for a workflow speedup over FCP legacy and it happened. We just recently ran an analysis on how much time we saved both ourselves and our clients over the last year with a CS6-centric workflow – it was shocking how much more work we were able to produce while increasing quality and lowering delivery time.
I am, however glad, that no matter what happens, CS6 was licensed for us in the traditionally way and I only hope that we can continue that trend as it works for us as a very small (but not single person shop.)
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I’m with you… we have two seats of Production Premium because those users don’t need Indesign, Fireworks or Flash and I’d rather not have to start paying for software I don’t plan on using.
It’s kind of like Adobe is doing to users what cable companies are doing: you pay for all the channels when you only want a few because they come packaged together.
It has always been this way to some degree, individual components were always dramatically more expensive than their bundled counterparts but at some point, users just need a specific set of tools, not every tool ever made, no matter how tempting the offer seems.
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If apps aren’t tied to an OS user account that’s a start (for now.) But what if that changes? I can’t forever be scared of the unknown for sure, but there’s a lot that’s very murky for those who don’t fit the “single user” model.
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Here: https://www.adobe.com/ca/products/creativecloud/teams.html
Starting at $69.99 for a one year commitment.
All of our seats are volume license seats (Adobe LWS) so we can manage them in one place, as well as past licenses and versions. It’s not even clear if we could revert to the “single user” model for Creative Cloud.
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There is no intuitive interface, not even the nipple. It’s all learned. – Bruce Ediger