-
Creative Cloud for teams: 5 Facts You Need To Know
This is my rebuttal to this: https://blogs.adobe.com/creativelayer/creative-cloud-for-teams-5-facts-you-need-to-know/
From Adobe:
(From me)Enables better collaboration
You can share files with colleagues inside and outside of your organization.
(Me: I could already do that with this new and wonderful open platform call the internet)Low TCO, best way to stay current
Keep your members up-to-date with the latest software at a low cost
(Me: the current perpetual license scheme is dramatically cheaper and your offer to update cloud users first is what makes this disingenuous marketing rhetoric. You could easily roll out updates to “box” users – as you’ve been doing for years.)Members have 1:1 access to Adobe product experts
As a member, you have 1:1 access to Adobe product experts to ensure workflow support.
(Me: What does that even mean? Will you hire one expert for every teams cloud user? We rarely turn to Adobe for support directly as a first effort because users on the Cow often know as much or if not more about the software in the real world than your “experts” do.)Centralized purchasing and license management tools
Creative Cloud for teams makes it easy for your IT department to centrally purchase and manage Creative Cloud
(Me: again, the LWS Adobe Licensing system for volume customers already let me manage my business licenses and users in one place. How is this new is any way shape or form?)Users get 100GB cloud-based storage
Don’t let storage limits keep you up at night. Enjoy 100GB of cloud-based storage per team member
(Me: We already have cloud storage services we trust and use. Neither the service nor the limits keep any of us up at night. They may not integrate directly in your application, but the “Teams” premium over the normal cloud user isn’t worth this so called “feature.” Choice here is key.)—
There is no intuitive interface, not even the nipple. It’s all learned. – Bruce Ediger -
8 Replies
-
[Petros Kolyvas] “(Me: I could already do that with this new and wonderful open platform call the internet)”
BUT two users could not have the exact same project open at the exact same time sharing the exact same media in the same shop. If you tried that with CS6 straight up and no Adobe Anywhere, you just screwed both editor.
[Petros Kolyvas] “You could easily roll out updates to “box” users – as you’ve been doing for years.)”
Boxes cost money. Planning entire suites to roll out at the same time each year costs money. Now Adobe is free to roll out any application at the time it’s ready and the “Creative Suites” are going to pretty much a thing of the past. Now you simply pay ONE price and get pretty much every application Adobe makes. Before you had to pick and choose the box set you wanted. Now it’s everything under the sun.
[Petros Kolyvas] “(Me: again, the LWS Adobe Licensing system for volume customers already let me manage my business licenses and users in one place. How is this new is any way shape or form?)”
It’s going to be essentially the same type of product, just re-tooled. Don’t see the complaint here. It’s a new license managing system that’s replacing the old one.
[Petros Kolyvas] “(Me: We already have cloud storage services we trust and use. Neither the service nor the limits keep any of us up at night. They may not integrate directly in your application, but the “Teams” premium over the normal cloud user isn’t worth this so called “feature.” Choice here is key.)”
Exactly. CHOICE is the key. [Petros Kolyvas] “Enjoy 100GB of cloud-based storage per team member”
that doesn’t say “You MUST use our 100GB of Storage or you will be banned from Creative Cloud.” No, that statement merely says that as part of your Creative Cloud account, you get 100GB of free storage. If you have something else you are already happy with, then use it and the 100GB from Adobe just sits empty.
Again, don’t see the complaint here.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author, Chef.
HD Post and Production
Biscardi Creative MediaFoul Water Fiery Serpent, an original documentary featuring Sigourney Weaver. US & European distribution by American Public Television
MTWD Entertainment – Developing original content for all media.
“This American Land” – our new PBS Series.
“Science Nation” – Three years and counting of Science for the People. -
I’m surprised Walter. Lots of issues (not so much complaint.)
Adobe is justifying the $840/year price (over the current $350/year price for Prod Premium users) with these supposed benefits (which amount to two support incidents and 100GB of Cloud Storage I don’t want to pay for.) So when I speak of CHOICE it’s that the “extras” should not be used to justify a higher price in an environment where volume licensing often mean lower overall costs.
The “teams” pricing is more expensive than the $550/year for a Master Suite collection and I’m using “box” to refer to perpetual licenses, not physical “boxes.” As I’ve said in other threads, the choice is gone. No editor we work with needs InDesign or Flash, or Fireworks or Dreamweaver (though I like having those tools) and making us pay for them adds insult to injury.
When I say “boxed” I mean “Boxed copies” vs cloud copies. We still download everything through LWS for our TLP purchases. Haven’t used a software box since FCS3.
So yeah, posts like the ones I’m quoting are huge propaganda-fests to justify a $500-per-user cost increase for seats that were annual (or even bi-annual) Production Premium upgrades.
I’m not sure why all the Adobe defence actually. I’ve used the software, I like it within reason and we’ve had a good, even great, year with CS6. It doesn’t mean I’m going to take a 100+% price increase in my annual seat costs (to stay current) without looking at the alternatives, no matter what features any company (Adobe or otherwise) has added.
Regarding the two editors having the same project open (Anywhere), fair enough, but that feature hasn’t been widely advertised yet and it’s still not worth a $1500 extra to me (annual updates go from about $1250 to $2560 for three seats in our case), when at that price other alternatives become quite viable, especially considering that’s a guaranteed annual price and doesn’t include any of the extra tools we use and pay for.
Again though, this is for “us” (as in our little shop) not “we/us” as in all editors. To each their own of course and thankfully using CS6 won’t cost us a cent extra so I’m happy we didn’t jump for “the cloud” earlier.
I’m glad the cloud offers advantages for some, but the business pricing doesn’t make sense for a great number of users. You have to commit to an-all Adobe service agreement and service has rarely been one of their strong points from my experience.
—
There is no intuitive interface, not even the nipple. It’s all learned. – Bruce Ediger -
Petro , if this cloud thing cant be resolved to my satisfaction Im pretty comfortable staying where I am. My system works great . I also like the idea that I dont have to pay a penny more to use it for the next year.
Tom Daigon
PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxPrG3WUyz8
(Best viewed at 1080P and full screen)
HP Z820 Dual 2687
64GB ram
Dulce DQg2 16TB raid -
Hey Tom,
Silly aside, did you drop the “S” on purpose? I know very few people who do that. It made me smile.
And yup, that’s why I don’t really have a horse in this race other than the interests of my own small ship trying to stay afloat in an ever more demanding and cost-sensitive market.
I paid for CS6 and while I would love if that investment is recognized, if it isn’t well all the projects will continue to work, as will the software and much like FCP7 didn’t disappear overnight when FCPX was released, neither will this. 🙂
I hope you have a great time at NAB – both you and Walter. Agreements or disagreements about the value of the cloud model aside, I’m greateful for both of your contributions to this community.
I wish I didn’t have so many projects lined up in early April and could be there. I’ve always wanted to attend the R.A.M.P.S./JWS get together and have yet to make it to NAB or LV.
Have fun (and get some rest amid all the excitement!)
PK
—
There is no intuitive interface, not even the nipple. It’s all learned. – Bruce Ediger -
Thanks Petros.Glad Ive been some help.
I live here so my schedule is pretty well paced. I will enjoy seeing all the internet folks I come to know next week. Thats what its all about.
Tom Daigon
PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxPrG3WUyz8
(Best viewed at 1080P and full screen)
HP Z820 Dual 2687
64GB ram
Dulce DQg2 16TB raid -
Yeah, it would be the best reason to go: many of the forum friends from over the years – even just to say thanks and maybe tell a story of how a line in a post made a huge difference. I think it was you who recommended Film Impact plugins when they first released them. We bought 5 seats of their product once they went commercial.
—
There is no intuitive interface, not even the nipple. It’s all learned. – Bruce Ediger -
How cool. Its nice to hear feedback on the results of our dialogs here.
Im off to bed. Have a great week Petros.Tom Daigon
PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxPrG3WUyz8
(Best viewed at 1080P and full screen)
HP Z820 Dual 2687
64GB ram
Dulce DQg2 16TB raid -
[Petros Kolyvas] “I’m not sure why all the Adobe defence actually. I’ve used the software, I like it within reason and we’ve had a good, even great, year with CS6. It doesn’t mean I’m going to take a 100+% price increase in my annual seat costs (to stay current) without looking at the alternatives, no matter what features any company (Adobe or otherwise) has added. “
Well the good news is the alternatives at Avid have gotten much much better with Media Composer 7 and the dropping of the Symphony option down to just $2500 total means that NLE is very much in play both Mac and Windows. And Autodesk continues to improve Smoke as an editing tool.
I’m perfectly fine with the pricing because each time I added a seat of Creative Suite, I was starting at the full $1500 or whatever the current brand new pricing is. So compared to that, the Cloud model is cheaper. There is a price increase over the current “upgrade pricing” but there’s also a lot more software at my disposal. Even if I don’t use the software, that means I can bring a freelancer in to use whatever tool is available to us.
One thing I can say for certain, the Cloud model is here to stay and it doesn’t sound to me like there will much in the way of change. Have heard so much positive feedback both in Atlanta at our Atlanta Cutters meetings, via direct communications with other editors and on the show floor regarding the Cloud model that it seems Adobe has hit on the right combination of availability and price for the majority of users.
Make the right decision for your needs and move forward with it.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author, Chef.
HD Post and Production
Biscardi Creative MediaFoul Water Fiery Serpent, an original documentary featuring Sigourney Weaver. US & European distribution by American Public Television
MTWD Entertainment – Developing original content for all media.
“This American Land” – our new PBS Series.
“Science Nation” – Three years and counting of Science for the People.
Reply to this Discussion! Login or Sign Up