Pappasarts
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So Noah you going to get condescending and call me ” MIKEY ” now
I thought we had no Issue?
You know, I only care about pushing envelope as far as I can.
But condescending is what your going to do to someone you have NEVER met and have no reason to be childish………..
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Stop this, your smarter then that. It’s getting ridiculous.
It’s like Neuro surgeons debating with each other how to apply a band aid.
Strictly speaking about fixed lenses on camcorders. When you see a cut a way of these lenses they contain nowhere near the same integrated designs and corrective optics that even the basic of professional lenses. Nowhere near the mechanical tolerances or technology. I have seen most cut a ways on these. There a compromise in cost and in quality of design. You know that! And I do to. You and I did not just fall of the turnip truck.
A B4 or 1/3 mount was the route to take.
Removable is just not about one lens.
It’s about “” OPTIONS “” to hook up what you want. Be it fiber optics system. Home made lenses for experimental shots. A blender if it works.
It opens the creative doors to possibilities of doing what the artist/cinematographer wants.
These cameras are not being built to shoot Johnny’s birthday party. There being built for professional to use.
It’s about the option to rent very expensive lenses for a few hundred dollars a a day to get that special shot. Renting is how it’ done when comes to expensive lenses in a large degree in the industry.
That option is killed by not having a mount.
The JVC had P+S TECHNIK srtaight to the camera. This is a good ‘RENTAL OPTION”
Many people would do this if given the “” OPTION “”
Why lock this “”OPTION”” out.
Many bitched when they thought P2 was only going to be the option to record HD and you would not have any other “OPTION”. It’s the same thing. Letting us have the “OPTION”
Believe it or not, Lenses are more important then that recording option if there was list of importance of 1 thru 10.
It’s about the “”OPTION””
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>> It’s called RENTAL for the jobs that require more expensive glass………………
<<2) removable lens, "starter lens" included that doesn't do justice to the camera (because it costs a lot more to make a removable lens than a fixed one) >>>
Yeah! But that’s why Panasonic doesn’t make removable lens anyway. They package or sell head only.
In the end it’s cheaper. To make a lens requires for you to higher a 3rd party to design the optics and a long time of testing to marriage it to your system ( HVX200 ) this 1 or 2 years of R&D will cost more then going with mounts you already have in your resources that you make probably in China for a lot less.
Again Panasonic does not make lenses for these cameras. They do however machine 100 dollar b4 or 1/3 mounts, and they have had that science in there company for many years.
No r&d needed. No 3rd party to design it!
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Hi Graeme!
Why would pay 80,000 for a loaded Varicam where possibly anywhere from 1,000 to 3,000 you could have a modified HVX200 with a lens mount.
An approximate 80,000 dollar savings is big, very big.
The fixed lens technology at this level can never beat even the basic of standard definition professionally engineered lenses. Just can’t…..
If they built a fixed lens design with a stabilizer, auto-focus in a short and light weight chamber without compromise to the lenses performance, giving us professional response, it would nearly double or triple the price of the camera.
It’s much much cheaper to choose the path of machining a B4 or 1/3 mount on a camera.
I have machined mounts out of blocks aluminum and other metals just as the Italians did. Not hard to too at all, basic machining 101.
Graeme! – Panasonic Already has the tooling/molds to build 1/3 and B4 mounts. They have for many years. They build them on all their other cameras now and have. So they don’t have to invent or have to travel a learning curve to do so one bit.
It’s in Panasonic’s resources ” NOW “…………
It’s always cheaper for a company to use what they have in there resources, then it is ever to reinvent, redesign or higher a third party to do it. They also would not have to hire Leica to design it. There is a bundle saved.
They had “NO” HVX200 lens in there resources. It’s all new to a certain dgree…..
It’s a new system. A good percentage of the DVX series lens can’t fully be carried over since the lens diameter is much larger. The technologies had to be improved on. The specs of the camera are much higher
What Panasonic does have in there resources is plenty B4 and 1/3 mounts already built.
Of-course this route means that Panasonic does not need to bank roll a lens to be designed and built, because Fujinon and Canon have already the offerings.
Panasonic already has a flowing channel between them. Just as Fujinon is a offering to the 6K HD100u.
Plus you can sell a camera as head only and leave it up to the buyer to supply the glass of his desire.
Therefore; Always cheaper to use your resources at hand then design from scratch a whole new system.
I must thank you Graeme, you made think of few new points that I should have written in the article. I will update the article with these new points. Thanks
I suggest you follow the ” Italian guys” link that show’s what two small guys ( Panasonic are ” BIG ” guys ) can do with a SD older Fujinon lens against the the Zeiss.
LINKS: The Italian guys———
https://www.eidomedia.com/hdve/
https://www.eidomedia.com/hdve/ziess_fuji.htmGraeme I will take a Varicam, if you buy one for me! Please……Just one Vari! I’ll even take it without the lens. Otherwise that kind of money difference goes to my family that I take care of. 🙂
Michael Pappas
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Emery,
That is an excellent idea!
Emery Wrote:
Interesting article, I think we should start a new thread where people can voice their opinion about having removable lenses, I will do just so. Maybe with enough people, we can make our voices heard.Emery >>>>>>>
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Sanjin
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Thanks Rennie !
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This is a transitional camera. It’s dissolve from A to B , but with a slight carry over. I want no tape, but then I also know that no ever needs to use the DV tape drive on the HVX200.
Panasonic could come out with a version with no tape drive. They could call it the HVX-200P2 and a use the extra room to drop in a few more P2 slots on the side. This camera could come in at a few hundred less or the same price. Either way the concept of ” Video as DATA ” is here to stay and wether it’s P2, HDD or some other memory system, it’s here for good.
Jan might back that up. I was waiting for Jan to comment on the post since it’s directed towards her. I’m sure she is taking a rest, while trying to restore her voice and spend time with her husband this weekend.
PS: Jan if you get a chance please read this article:
https://www.pbase.com/aghvx200/pappasarts_entertainment_
Michael Pappas
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Thanks Sanjin!
JVC’s, option will add another choice and depending on needs it could be the choice over the Z1u . Whe the HVX200 hit’s the street in 5 or six months, by that time we have already seen the picture quality ( I am told maybe August at the earlist to see the HVX200 working ) adding another choice. One thing is very clear, you can’t go wrong with any of these three HD camera when there all out.
Here is an small article I wrote about the JVC GY-HD100u and AG-HVX200 I write about what JVC needs to do to stay in the game to a certain degree in the long run. Enjoy!
https://www.pbase.com/aghvx200/pappasarts_entertainment_
THIS ARTICLE CAN ALSO BE FOUND AT
https://www.hdvinfo.net/articles/jvcprohd/pappas5.phpMichael Pappas
https://www.pbase.com/ARRFILMS
https://www.PappasArts.com -
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