NEW ARTICLE ON THE AG-HVX200

[Emery]

Interesting article, I think we should start a new thread where people can voice their opinion about having removable lenses, I will do just so. Maybe with enough people, we can make our voices heard.

Emery

[Pappasarts]

Emery,

That is an excellent idea!

Emery Wrote:
Interesting article, I think we should start a new thread where people can voice their opinion about having removable lenses, I will do just so. Maybe with enough people, we can make our voices heard.

Emery >>>>>>>

[Noah Kadner]

Awesome. Now while you’re at it, how about some articles on the limitations of the JVC and Sony cameras Mike? You know- to keep things balanced? Here’s a few headlines to get you thinking:

“CF 24 doesn’t look or act like 24p!”
“JVC HD100U’s included lens subpar?”
“Z1U: Sony please give us progressive 1080.”
“HDV: Excellent for still frames, not great with lots of movement?”
“JVC Poll / Add DVCPROHD as a codec alternative to HDV.”
“HDV’s MPEG Audio not professional enough?”

Here’s at least three different HDV forums you could cross-post to and keep everyone well informed of all their options:

https://www.creativecow.net/forum/view_posts.php?forumid=162

https://www.dvxuser.com/V3/forumdisplay.php?f=42

https://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=62

[Jay Blanchard]

I just checked out this article, and according to the author he was banned from Creative Cow and dvxuser.com for posting it. Why is that?

[Ron Lindeboom]

Michael was not banned from Creative Cow for posting the article. Michael Pappas’s account was closed because he kept on repeatedly reposting things of this type and we work way too hard building the Cow to have anyone copy-and-paste the same stuff that they’ve placed everywhere else across the Net.

We want to protect the uniqueness of the Cow and always have worked hard to do that. We do not want it to look like the same arguments that are going on everywhere else across the Net.

Personally, I do not like to repost things written in private but since Michael never bothered to respond to my private email and wishes to make the issue public, then I feel safe in reposting what I wrote him regarding the topic — especially since he said that it was somehow due to Noah Kadner, which it wasn’t:

Hello Michael,

We appreciate your kind words about the Cow and want you to understand why it is that we have elected to turn off your account. It has nothing to do with you personally and we do not dislike you. What it has to do with is that we work very hard to try to build a site which is unique and reflects the highest possible signal-to-noise ratio that we are capable of producing. It doesn’t always work and we are far from perfect in always accomplishing this goal, but we do try hard. When people cross-post the same thing which they have posted across many other forums, it makes the Cow look like just another set of ‘same-ole, same-ole’ forums. Gone is the character of the Cow and in its place is just a repeat of what can be found across many other sites on the Net. We work far too hard for it to end up like this. Therefore, we turned off your account as it is imperative that the Cow develop into a community that is based on its own character, not that of a television rerun of everything else that is found across the Net. The Cow never has been about free speech and we do not advocate it as one of our principles. The Cow is about community and when the goals of free speech and building community collide, community wins every time at the Cow. As I have said many times over the years, we are not talking about issues of conscience, politics or religion here, it is merely digital video and we do not feel that free speech at all costs is imperative at the Cow. These are hardly the “heady” issues of conscience we are discussing and so we must remain faithful to the vision we have for Creative Cow.

I hope that that explains our policies and why we have turned off your account. It had nothing to do with Noah and everything to do with not wanting to be a repeat of every other site out on the Net.

Best regards,

Ron Lindeboom

People are quite welcome to disagree but we won’t be changing our policies in this regard.

Best regards,

Ron Lindeboom
creativecow.net

[Jay Blanchard]

Thanks for clearing that up Ron. It seems like a legitimate reason for discontinuing his account.

Just a question though–do you typically send a warning before “banning” someone from CC? I guess I could see Michael’s POV if he wrote some harsh words about Panasonic and suddenly was booted from the Cow: that he was censored. The last thing anybody wants is a censored forum, as it would be completely antithetical to what these discourses are all about.

However, I don’t think that is at all what is going on here, and I think your reasoning is valid. There’s no point in clogging up the threads with copy & paste diatribes and regurgitated information.

[Ron Lindeboom]

[Jay Blanchard] “Just a question though–do you typically send a warning before “banning” someone from CC? I guess I could see Michael’s POV if he wrote some harsh words about Panasonic and suddenly was booted from the Cow: that he was censored.”

This is not the first time that Michael and I have run afoul of one another, as I have removed things of his before. He knows our policies as they have not changed in ten years of building communities. Michael has seen me remove some of his posts and he still wishes to repost them. If Michael wishes to call me a liar he is more than welcome to and he will not be the first nor probably the last person to do so.

But that said, I will say that what he put up on his website is grossly misleading and written with a callous disregard for the truth. He was quite aware of the real reasons as I had written him and explained our reasoning (which he conveniently chose to disregard in his “Michael’s march to martyrdom” post he added to the intro of his article). But truth is far less titillating than stirring up a “controversy of martyrdom” and so he chose to disregard the truth in his parade of self promotion.

[Jay Blanchard] “The last thing anybody wants is a censored forum, as it would be completely antithetical to what these discourses are all about.”

Jay: We have always moderated and censored these boards — have since Day One back in 1995. If we didn’t, then the outcome would be the four or five most aggressive personalities shouting down anyone without their level of testosterone. No thanks! We like the fact that (on most forums, at least), women feel free to post in the Cow as themselves and not as James Wilson and Robert Wood. Oddly, though, the HDV forum and the Panasonic P2 forums are largely devoid of any female posts — other than Jan Crittenden Livingston of Panasonic. So that, in part, is one of the reasons that we censor posts, remove certain threads and other steps to try to send a message to our members of the fairer sex that we’d like them to participate, as well. I like women and I love working with my wife. I consider it one of the great things in my life that Kathlyn and I get to work together and it is one of the reasons that I am cognizant of the fact that testosterone-fueled ego matches and the typical male “I’m the hallowed professor at the lecturn and so I will grace you peasants with my superior knowledge” ego pontifications is something that we’ve always grown weary of here, quite quickly.

We call it “flutter,” and when flutter happens, we move to quell it quickly if it doesn’t die down on its own. In most forums here in the Cow, we do not have to do a thing as the communities have developed their own sense of balance and are thankfully very good at self-correction.

In most forums of the Cow, I never pull a single post or ban a single user in the course of a year. But the HDV forum’s past nastiness and snide rudeness has been the usual one-forum-a-year-goes-ape exception and I have ridden that forum hard to insure that, in time, it joins the rest of the Cow as a usefull and productive community. Having four or five big mouths in there is not what I call community. So we have worked to correct it. We have never wanted all the traffic and if we end up with 20% of what others have, that is quite okay with us as long as those that remain understand that this is not an arm-wrestling contest and that power is often best used in restraint.

Those that do not understand our point are quite free to criticize the way we do things. I never expect that everyone is going to like me, nor should they. I do not suffer from such a profound sense of self-fixation that I believe that everyone should understand me. They won’t. But when I look at the vast number of people who “get” the point of the Cow and are comfortable with the site and its policies, then I will accept that as a testament that we must be doing at least something right.

And as I have said many times over the years, those who do not like the way we do things are free to start their own sites and build their own communities in their own vision. But as for the Cow’s founders, we’ve been a stubborn couple for the last decade and I doubt that we’ll be changing our outlook on how we build this thing anytime soon.

For those who want to call us liars and worse, we won’t worry enough to go into the various assorted hornet’s nests on the net to bother defending ourselves. Over the last ten years of doing this, we’ve survived the loss of our past site, which cost us nearly five years and over $130,000 spent building it. Over the last ten years, we’ve also survived the loss of one or two massive egotists who said that they had built these forums and left in a huff saying that they’d bury us — we therefore affectionately refer to them as “Nikita’s Twins” because of their obvious Nikita Khruschchev fixation.

And just to make one thing clear, if we were simply in this for the money, we’d not have created the “Creative Cow Master Series” DVD training series which we just introduced at NAB — and in which we pick up all the manufacturing costs, the marketing and the promotion but EVERY DIME goes to the authors. We do not keep one red cent. We built Creative Cow Publishing for our leaders. They helped us build the Cow and now we are helping them build value into what is basically an “artist owned” publishing venture — we do not even charge back the production costs but write it all off as an advertising expense.

Everyone has their critics, we can live with ours…

Ron Lindeboom

[Deleted User]

[Ron Lindeboom] “… We like the fact that (on most forums, at least), women feel free to post in the Cow as themselves and not as James Wilson and Robert Wood. Oddly, though, the HDV forum and the Panasonic P2 forums are largely devoid of any female posts — other than Jan Crittenden Livingston of Panasonic. …”

Hi, Ron. Does this mean I can come out of the closet now, and post using my real (female) name? 😛

And if so, do I also have to stop being such a jerk, too? This New Jersey persona is kinda growing on me, you know whadda mean? 😀

All the best,

– Peter

Just a friendly reminder to all: Please consider filling-in your COW user profile information so we have a better idea who you are, where you’re from, and so forth. It’s the friendly thing to do. Thanks!

[Jim Mulleder]

Ron,
It so nice to see you:
a)take the time the respond fully and properly
b)have some morals…and stick with them

As far as cross-posting is concerned, I think this post can AND should be used again.

Well done,
Love the net
jim

Jim Mulleder
Techical Producer
https://www.telestudios.ubc.ca

[Ron Lindeboom]

Thank you for your kind words, Jim. They are appreciated.

Ron & Kathlyn