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By the way if people don’t know of the canon A1 digital, you can see that is had lens markings and a real zoom handle here.
https://ferrario.com/ruether/images/FS/canon-A1.jpg
michael
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Hi Christopher!
I too owned that camera. These were great for there time and it had a lens that had foucs markings and it stopped without the free spinning hell and is it also had a zoom handle. That was 15 years ago. No reason they can’t make fixed lenses like this today with the advancements of technology to throw in. Not one good honest reason at all.
Michael Pappas
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That’s great Jan. I hope you can have something up by NAB. If so, offer it to Creative cow, DVinfo, DVX to upload to servers as well Panasonics servers. I willl assume major downloads from every corner of the world as well the moon for thae first footage.
Michael Pappas
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NICK B WROTE:
<>>> See nick, you and I have very different philosophical ideas on this area. That’s why what I wrote didn’t translate in the beginning to you. No big deal, every person can treat others or have concerns that work for them.
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>> I will agree with you Nick. I believe if this camera is anything like DVX100A but now HD P2 it’s going to take major sales instantly.
I just hope as they did with the DVX100 when it was first announced, that they release footage like they did of the birds on the beach, but this time some better content.
Jan,
is Panasonic planning to upload footage like the beach clips etc from the DVX100, but this time of the HVX-200 in action?
Michael Pappas
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Duh! Sorry Luis, a long morning working. My brain is in very very serious mode. I missed it. :-O
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Hi Luis! I have said it before in posts about the P2.
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Hi Nick!
I never was against P2.
I have said ” death to tape ” more then once. Jan can back that up, I believe.
I even wrote this: “” The thing is, the short record times can work for me, but I’m a very niche sector and I know it. I don’t like it, but I don’t think others should except it just cause I can””
Or : “””This is exactly why NO tape is a great thing coming!””
Nick, This clearly illustrates P2 is not an issue for me, as well the short record times can work for me. For me tape is not needed, but that’s “for me”.
Of course for now if the Price is insane, I will wait for it to become reasonable.
I said Memory media is the future as well.
See what you mixed up here Nick is my concern for others need separated from my own!
Just cause the small record times can work for me, I don’t assume or believe others should have to live with it. That happens far to much now days.
Other people have real concerns about P2 media costs and short record times for production. This is very valid to them, and just cause it’s workable for me I can understand why not for them.
Nick, I want longer record times, don’t get me wrong, but as I said i can make it work for me as it is for now.
See nick I think my concern for others peoples needs confused you with my own needs which I have stated.
I hope this has cleared that up where I stood on this subject a while ago!
Michael Pappas
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Hello Gabriel Costache!
Every professional photographer I know had just a few CF cards because of the cost a few years ago, now they have a pocket full. There dirt cheap, no reason not to. Compared to over three years ago when I got my first DSLR when I only had two CF cards. Today I own 7 512mb and 3 1 gigs only because they got cheap.
The reason people are not going to have a lot of P2 cards isn’t because they don’t need them, it’s because it will cost to much to have a lot of them.
Now if P2 4gigs were $100 dollars just for example, people would own 10 to 15 of them easily. I would buy 20 of them at that price. Who wouldn’t.
So not having a lot of P2 media is not because there is not a need, it’s because they can’t, do to the high price of P2 media as of now.
I will tell you when these 4 gigs are dirt cheap, and they will be one day as all memory does, people will have a pocket full of P2 cards.
So one day years from now when Jan tells someone “” why not buy a bunch of P2 cards because there cheap” ” I will have to remind her that she professed that no one needs a lot of them because you must re-think your work flow.
I’ll make a bet that the Panasonic production philosophy of you don’t need a lot of P2 is convenient to back up its high price issue. When P2 cards are dirt cheap, that part of the work flow philosophy will suddenly disappear from the Panasonic mantra, and all of a sudden they will sing the song ” P2 cards are cheap so buy many” a 180 from the song going on now.
Which means they really don’t believe their own argument, but they just the make themselves believe in it right now to fit the situation. Blue pill or Red anyone.
What’s funny is, the short record times can work for me, but I’m a very niche sector and I know it. I don’t think others should except it just cause I can at this point.
I know two people that came back from India, 80+ hours in two weeks of filming in Digibeta from Delhi to the tip of Trivandrum. I can site another dozen off the top of my head like this that P2 is not going to work at this current stage if they couldn’t have at-least a pocket full. Rethinking your work flow is marketing/PR BS.
I like Jan, I think it’s great she comes here, but I have been working production since I was Fifteen, that’s been 21 years. So I happen to know a little about this industry. She is product manager. My friends at Panavision never try to tell me my needs or how things should work on a set. But when it comes to their gear I listen 110%. There is a line to respect and I respect that line.
People including Jan keep saying filmmakers are used to 4 minute loads. That’s such bull%*$#
Everyone I know hate’s the limited magazine loads, but it’s physics. You can only jam so much film in a mag. Panavision has spent a ton on R&D over the years to build larger mag load canisters, but it’s a matter of physics in the end and not because people like have short run times. Reloading sucks.
The one thing everyone loves in Hollywood about HD is the large record times even if they hate HD imagery, it’s always “” I like the long record times and quick and easy change out “.
Panasonic/Jan uses a film mag issue that people have no choice but to live with in film industry to justify another bad issue of limited P2 Media size. This is and never would be a plus….
Michael Pappas
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<<<<[Chris Bell] "I think P2's record time limitations are great. Reminds me of shooting 100' spools of film with an ARRI S. Makes you THINK before you shoot. I find younger "dv" directors/shooters like to gather 100 times more footage than they would ever use in the edit." >>>
Chris,
90%+ of productions in the world have nothing to do with filmmaking. Those that are actually making movies that are for true release are in a niche group if compared to the volume of EFP, ENG work that goes on in the world . So time limited P2 and cost is a big issue.Michael Pappas
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