[Mike Schrengohst]

Hello David,

It was an RGB Gamma issue. I was exporting from FCP as YUV and
After Effects no like YUV wants RGB. Exported as RGB and all is
well again, Thanks

[Mike Schrengohst]

I have been working on this as well,
Been experimenting with Raylight and After Effects.
I found this on DVinfo and did it, it seems to work.

“I think we have a solution. Adam Wilt was very helpful over on the SF Cutters mailing list and provided a useable process.

He said that when you select the F1-only mode in CineTools’ Remove 2:3 Pulldown, it effectively does a 2:3:3:2 pulldown removal, not a 2:3 pulldown removal.”

Leave all the other settings the same.

“I tested it with footage from the HVX as well as test clips I made in After Effects. This method with CineTools correctly transfered both even and odd fields, despite being called F1-only. Just to be sure, I compared still frames from the original and the CineTools processed footage using a difference blending mode in Photoshop and they were identical for a set of A,B,C, and D frames from the 2:3:3:2 cadence. No evidence of recompression either.

The one downside is that CineTools produces a file that the Finder shows to be 640×360, but both QT Player and FCP show to be
1920×1080. It’s a minor annoyance.

After Effects still treats the file produced by CineTools like it is really 640×360, which makes it unusable there due to pixelation when you scale it up. Fortunately AE’s Interpret Footage command does correctly remove 24pA pulldown, so the original 1080i24pA files from the HVX can be used in AE directly without having to use CineTools.”

But AE only works in RGB Colorspace. So pulling your original 24PA clips into AE does not work, it produces a Gamma shift. So here is what do.

1.) Shoot 1080 24pA clips on the HVX.
2.) Copy your P2 contents for back-up.
3.) Create a 1080 60i easy set-up in FCP.
4.) Set sequence to render RGB.
5.) Import your P2 content into the 1080 easy set-up.
6.) Close FCP open Cinema Tools and do the conversion
as described above with your clips. Save as new clips.
7.) Open FCP with a 720 24p easy set-up
8.) Change the sequence properties for 1080 clip.
Leave the frame rate as 23.98 (Really 23.976)
9.) Make sure your sequence render properties are set
to RGB if you are going to use the exported
file in After Effects. Do you own testing for
best results.
10.) Export a 23.976 QT file with QuickTime conversion.
I use Photo-JPEG at 100% and then use this file in
After Effects. You could use this file most
anywhere as this is what most Stock Footage houses
deliver HD clips on.
11.) You could use this file in a 720p DVCPRO project
also.

Let me know if this works for you.

[Mike Schrengohst]

Someone said not to rely on the S-vid signal coming out of the camera.
Maybe I am comparing Apples to Oranges. Maybe the component signal is a more accurate guage, I will try that tomorrow.

[Mike Schrengohst]

Yes it does work. But check you levels on output.
I am having a bug where the imported P2 files
converted to QT look at little lighter than the original P2.
It’s hard to really tell what you are shooting.

[Mike Schrengohst]

No I am just using a 17″ Powerbook. The output is rendered files.
Thanks

[Mike Schrengohst]

I pulled my .mov into After Effects on the PC and the levels
look good there. But when I look at Raylight converted
.avi’s the levels are lighter than the .mov created in
FCP. I have set-up everything along the way.
I can’t believe anyout from P2. What is the best method
for assuring proper levels when editing and
then going back and forth from PC to MAC??

[Mike Schrengohst]

I think I will try that. I guess if you had a continous
23.976 file then FCP would render that out correct??
Thanks

[Mike Schrengohst]

Ok, well do as soon as I get a chance.
I tried a save at 75%, that was not it either.
No matter what I do the output from AE7 does not work…..

Having said that, I am using the trail version of AE7
perhaps they are missing the output up??
If they are why would I use that??
I just need to find a solution to getting 24 frame
material out to PhotoJPEG with the easiest solution.
I may try Canopus, the MAC is a little funky on
giving you real info.

[Mike Schrengohst]

Cool, how long of a clip do you need??

Thanks

[Mike Schrengohst]

I am doing some testing and discovered that a render from FCP
is different than a render from AE. Same file in both apps.
Rendered to the same file flavor and codec.
Bring those two files into a PC and they do not match.
Tried on two different PC’s

The same two files match in AE and FCP on the MAC.
Seems like the MAC is adding set-up somewhere??
But why would a rendered file have a different gamma.
You can see on the scopes in FCP that the AE rendered files
have more black but they look the same.
Tried different set-ups in AE but that does not seem to
be the problem.
My client wanted PhotoJPEG. I saw that a 100% JPEG is
RGB but it 75% it is YUV. I am trying an RGB render in FCP
and a 75% render in AE to see if that is what is going on???