[Mark Maness]

I’m wondering why you need to nest the timeline at all. Your computer is plenty fast enough for pretty much anything.

Have you set your audio playback to 99 channels of realtime?

I have a first gen Mac Pro and I have no problems playing back audio at all.

Let me ask, how much memory does your Mac Pro have? If its an odd size, say like 5 gig or 10 gig, this could be your problem. FCP runs optimally at 8 gig of RAM, anything else can cause issues like you speak.

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Wayne Carey
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[Mark Maness]

Wait a minute… Sorry. Someone has been messing with my audio board. Don’t worry about the Kona monitoring thing.

BUT, my dual channel audio is still panned left and right, but ONLY when recapturing from an HDV source into ANY codec using ANY method. I wonder if that is because HDV 48k records 1 stereo track, even if they are two distinct tracks of audio from two different lav mics.

Even if this is true, I’m recapturing thru the Kona 3 card and if I tell it that my audio is dual channel mono, I should get two tracks of center panned audio, right? This is the case if I capture footage from any other source like BetaSP or XDCAM HD, but not from an HDV source.

No matter what we have talked about, I still get two tracks of left and right panned audio, no matter what the settings are. Its just not linked like stereo audio but still acts like it.

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Wayne Carey
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[Mark Maness]

[Jeremy Garchow] “That’s exactly what I would do. In log and capture choose, codec/frame size and audio. Then Close log and capture, then right click clips to batch capture and UNcheck the ‘use logged clip settings’.”

Dude…. I just found a HUGE bug here. I did just as we have talked about.

BUT… the audio still plays separate channels, not centered between two channels like it does for our XDCAM HD footage, or anything else captured thru the Log and Capture window. I can look at the output on the audio meters and it shows channel 1 on my timeline being output as channel 1 ONLY thru the Kona card, BUT… the analog monitor of the Kona 3 card is playing thru both channels 1 and 2. I cannot change this for anything. The audio sounds just like stereo audio, not mono audio.

Now, if I import some XDCAM HD footage using the Sony software, I’ll get two distinct audio channels that play separately thru the Kona’s analog monitoring to my audio monitoring board (of which I checked to see if I have that setup properly, too).

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Wayne Carey
Schazam Productions
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[Mark Maness]

[Jeremy Garchow] “Not here. It comes in as dual mono. Panned center. Must be HDV juju. Are oyu sure you have all the settings correct? You shouldn’t have to use the browser to change settings at all, just the log and capture interface.
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I think it has to be that HDV juju. Yes, all of the settings are correct. And we use the Browser to change the audio from 1 stereo to 2 mono, at the same time, it blows the metadata for the ProRes422 at 1440×1080 in their respective columns in the Browser. There’s an issue with recapturing into anything if you don’t do this step.

Now, the one thing I have not tried is to leave all the settings alone, just delete the media and change my audio defaults in the Log and Capture window, then use those settings for recapture. Maybe it can recapture ProRes422 in its native aspect, too. Hmmmm… it’s worth a try.

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Wayne Carey
Schazam Productions
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[Mark Maness]

[Jeremy Garchow] “A little strange, yes, but it works and is a fast fix.”

Well, sort of…. Its still a non-linked stereo signal. It shows up a 2 channel mono but place it on a timeline, and you’ll see that its still panned left and right. Oh well…

[Jeremy Garchow] “I assume you’ve sent feedback to Apple?”

Many more times than you can imagine.

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Wayne Carey
Schazam Productions
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[Mark Maness]

I’m glad to know that I’m not the ONLY one annoyed by this.

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Wayne Carey
Schazam Productions
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[Mark Maness]

You sequence has to be set to dual mono audio in its settings.

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Wayne Carey
Schazam Productions
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schazamproductions@mac.com

[Mark Maness]

[Jeremy Garchow] “It’s not that much work. Open l&c, choose settings, close l&c, choose clips to batch capture, uncheck box. Pretty easy, especially if it fixes the problem. “

Well… Isn’t that something. It does work after doing this. Strange behavior.

[Jeremy Garchow] “You started capturing with a different HDV system, then you have to tell FCP to use the log and capture method, of which is guided by AJA. Think of it as changing preferences.”

I know what you mean totally, but shouldn’t dual mono be dual mono in any method you choose? Basically, you cannot capture dual mono from firewire no matter what. You’ll get 2 channels of unlinked stereo audio. That looks to me to be a bug in the software, not a quirk.

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Wayne Carey
Schazam Productions
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schazamproductions@mac.com

[Mark Maness]

[Jeremy Garchow] “This after opening the log and capture window on it’s own, changing the clip settings tab, then closing the log and cap window, then choosing batch capture?

Yes, clips are really dual mono.
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You are correct, but that add lots of work that is not normally needed. Its when you are working thru the Browser that these issues occur. Try making you changes in the Browser window, then recapturing. What are the results?

I agree with the metadata issue completely. That would explain why the clip shows as 2 channel mono in the Browser and 16 channels in the Log and Capture window.

This “bug” has plagued us since the release of FCP6.

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Wayne Carey
Schazam Productions
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schazamproductions@mac.com

[Mark Maness]

[Jeremy Garchow] “After they were captured, I right clicked and made them offline, then I right clicked again and choose ‘Clip Settings’. Then changed the 2 stereo tracks to dual mono and then recaptured. The clips now are dual mono in the browser/timeline.”

OK, after doing this and placing your clips in the timeline, did you playback the clip to see if the audio was truely dual mono? I bet, you’ll find out different.

[Jeremy Garchow] “Alternatively, after capture without changing the clips settings, I open the log and capture window and setup the audio like I want i the clip settings tab. I then right click on the clips to “Batch Capture” and once the capture window comes up, I UNcheck “use logged clip settings”.”

Using this idea, yields a clip of 16 channels of mono audio, not the two that I need and have.

NOW… if you take one of those offline clips that has been set to dual mono, drop that into the Log and Capture window and look at the Clip Settings tab. You’ll see in the audio section that you have 16 channels of mono audio selected, even though in the browser window says it 2 channel mono. If you capture from here, you get 16 channels of mono audio.

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Wayne Carey
Schazam Productions
https://web.mac.com/schazamproductions
schazamproductions@mac.com