Audio Pan setting is -1 on imported clips

[Jeremy Garchow]

Look at the audio mixer (option-6). If it’s a stereo clip, I am sure ch1 is -1 and ch2 is +1, i.e. a stereo clip.

If you don’t want them to be stereo anymore, unpair them and make them dual mono.

When capturing you can usually choose to bring them in stereo pair or dual mono. It’s up to you.

Jeremy

[Mark Maness]

Here’s one for you, Jeremy. Maybe you’ve seen this and maybe this issue is related.

We shoot a mixture of HDV and XDCAM HD.

To edit the HDV footage, we usually capture using the HDV-ProRes422 – Sony – 1080i29.97 Easy Setup. This makes for fast logging of the clips. We prefer to edit in the DVCProHD codec because it faster and friendlier in our experiences. So, I have to delete the media, after changing the clips names and making notes to each clip. After I delete the media, I change the audio from stereo to dual mono and recapture my footage into DVCProHD 1080i29.97.

Well, everything is good EXCEPT the audio which is dual mono still plays as stereo – left and right, not panned to center as dual mono usually does when capturing my XDCAM HD footage as DVCProHD. In the edit, we have to center all of the HDV acquired footage so that we don’t have talent speaking in the right or the left speakers.

You could say its a PIA.

Have you seen this?

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Wayne Carey
Schazam Productions
https://web.mac.com/schazamproductions
schazamproductions@mac.com

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Wayne Carey] “Have you seen this?”

I haven’t but I also haven’t captured in that way before, that is, use firewire first, then change everything.

I’d just log and capture with the Kona first. Save you some trouble in the long run?

In the log and capture window, you setup the audio/video how you want it then you have to click the button that says “use current settings” or whatever it says (going from memory) so that FCP will use what the L&C window is currently set to, instead of what was set when it was logged.

Jeremy

[Mark Maness]

[Jeremy Garchow] “I haven’t but I also haven’t captured in that way before, that is, use firewire first, then change everything.”

Yeah, firewire capture and convert to ProRes422, then use the Kona 3 to recapture into DVCProHD after the logging has been done. Faster workflow than the standard log and capture.

[Jeremy Garchow] “I’d just log and capture with the Kona first. Save you some trouble in the long run?”

Normally, we would, but we have found that you can use this method and log about 7 tapes in a day’s time compared to a couple of days doing it the standard way.

[Jeremy Garchow] “In the log and capture window, you setup the audio/video how you want it then you have to click the button that says “use current settings” or whatever it says (going from memory) so that FCP will use what the L&C window is currently set to, instead of what was set when it was logged.”

To answer you on this… Yes, we are making sure that when we recapture the tapes that we have selected “Use Current Settings”. But the audio still plays as stereo, even though its dual mono.

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Wayne Carey
Schazam Productions
https://web.mac.com/schazamproductions
schazamproductions@mac.com

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Wayne Carey] “But the audio still plays as stereo, even though its dual mono.”

When you recapture from ProRes to DVCPro HD, do you make the clips offline first?

Have you tried changing the ‘Clip Settings’ in the browser?

If yes to above, it must be something to do with the firewire capture.

Also, time to switch to tapeless? 😉

[Jeremy Garchow]

Alright, I just went through this process, although I can’t totally replicate your fw HDV to ProRes setup.

So, I captured 2 clips as stereo.

After they were captured, I right clicked and made them offline, then I right clicked again and choose ‘Clip Settings’. Then changed the 2 stereo tracks to dual mono and then recaptured. The clips now are dual mono in the browser/timeline.

Alternatively, after capture without changing the clips settings, I open the log and capture window and setup the audio like I want i the clip settings tab. I then right click on the clips to “Batch Capture” and once the capture window comes up, I UNcheck “use logged clip settings”.

It works.

Jeremy

[Mark Maness]

[Jeremy Garchow] “After they were captured, I right clicked and made them offline, then I right clicked again and choose ‘Clip Settings’. Then changed the 2 stereo tracks to dual mono and then recaptured. The clips now are dual mono in the browser/timeline.”

OK, after doing this and placing your clips in the timeline, did you playback the clip to see if the audio was truely dual mono? I bet, you’ll find out different.

[Jeremy Garchow] “Alternatively, after capture without changing the clips settings, I open the log and capture window and setup the audio like I want i the clip settings tab. I then right click on the clips to “Batch Capture” and once the capture window comes up, I UNcheck “use logged clip settings”.”

Using this idea, yields a clip of 16 channels of mono audio, not the two that I need and have.

NOW… if you take one of those offline clips that has been set to dual mono, drop that into the Log and Capture window and look at the Clip Settings tab. You’ll see in the audio section that you have 16 channels of mono audio selected, even though in the browser window says it 2 channel mono. If you capture from here, you get 16 channels of mono audio.

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Wayne Carey
Schazam Productions
https://web.mac.com/schazamproductions
schazamproductions@mac.com

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Wayne Carey] “Using this idea, yields a clip of 16 channels of mono audio, not the two that I need and have.”

This after opening the log and capture window on it’s own, changing the clip settings tab, then closing the log and cap window, then choosing batch capture?

Yes, clips are really dual mono.

The only flaw in this test is that I can’t replicate your HDV workflow. Perhaps there’s some metadata that can’t/won’t be changed.

[Mark Maness]

[Jeremy Garchow] “This after opening the log and capture window on it’s own, changing the clip settings tab, then closing the log and cap window, then choosing batch capture?

Yes, clips are really dual mono.
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You are correct, but that add lots of work that is not normally needed. Its when you are working thru the Browser that these issues occur. Try making you changes in the Browser window, then recapturing. What are the results?

I agree with the metadata issue completely. That would explain why the clip shows as 2 channel mono in the Browser and 16 channels in the Log and Capture window.

This “bug” has plagued us since the release of FCP6.

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Wayne Carey
Schazam Productions
https://web.mac.com/schazamproductions
schazamproductions@mac.com

[Jeremy Garchow]

It’s not that much work. Open l&c, choose settings, close l&c, choose clips to batch capture, uncheck box. Pretty easy, especially if it fixes the problem.

You started capturing with a different HDV system, then you have to tell FCP to use the log and capture method, of which is guided by AJA. Think of it as changing preferences.