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[kim krause] “now you perform the same basic functions with next to no money in much higher quality sitting in your kitchen with your morning coffee…why can’t you see the advantage in this?”

I prefer to edit in my studio and cook in my kitchen – I take it you like to edit in your kitchen, and then what, cook in your bathroom and take a dump in your closet?

Like you, I started out hanging film clips in bins. I appreciate the drop in cost of modern editing. I’ve cut on laptops when I had to, but it is not something I enjoy, nor is it an optimum way to work. The Ipad would be even worse – for 2 main reasons:

1) keypad
2) monitors

While miniaturization can change the size of the equipment needed to manage data it so far hasn’t effected the needs of the human body. Real springy keyboards are much better input devices then tapping on an ungiving Ipad screen and large viewing surfaces are necessary to see detail in the images I edit. I’m still required to deliver finished shows on tape and screening copies on DVD. Some producers send me stock footage on BetaCam tape. When these requirements, both physical and commercial, change then I will downsize my studio, although I doubt I will edit in my kitchen.

[kim krause] “change, evolve and move ahead!”

I plan to, I just don’t see FCPX or Ipad editing as part of the future for the work I do. Nor do I think that using a cell phone as a video camera holds much appeal to me. But you go right ahead if it fits the work you do.

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Zebra Productions
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[Steve Connor] “Apparently the story wasn’t true!”

Making the silliness of this whole thread more apparent.

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Zebra Productions
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[Steve Connor] “I didn’t think he was being serious, but that’s just my read!”

Then why wouldn’t he acknowledge the joke. And why did others, like Kim Krause and Craig Seeman double down on it. I figure Craig is half joking, he seems a bit too smart to be that dumb, but I’ll agree this whole thread is ridiculous.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Steve Connor] “Has anyone in this thread actually suggested you could use an iPhone as their primary camera?”

This thread started with a post that contained the following line

“Apple has their own Image Processing Engine on the new iPhone. Imagine the possibilities for journalists. Everything just changed in post.”

So yes, believe it or not, unless you think journalists typically carry multiple cameras, I would say more than one person has implied that you could use the Iphone as a primary camera.

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Zebra Productions
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[Chris Harlan] “Gawd, yeah. I didn’t know it doesn’t have “Paste Attributes.” Man, there is just so much it doesn’t have.”

Which is why it never made any sense to EOL and stop selling Legacy months, if not years, before the baby could walk. After all this time and thousands of posts spent discussing it ad nauseum, the logic of that decision is still the most puzzling thing about the whole roll-out. Whoever first publishes the details of the inside story on that decision will definitely get my money.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

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[Craig Seeman] “Actually may make using shots from it features more likely (not common but more likely). If 4 was OK 4S is certainly better.”

Maybe, but I’d argue that if your using shots from an Iphone your looking for an immediate “real life” feel in which resolution and sharpness are not the issue.

Really Craig, this argument is ridiculous. The advantage of using any cell phone for video is the fact that you always have the phone with you, it enables you to get shots that you would otherwise miss. Video Production is not haphazard, your always planning to get the shots, your choosing to take a camera with you – now why under those circumstances would you choose to take a 4s over a 5d, other than poverty. And this discussion was about professional use of the 4s, not what camera high school students might make a movie with.

I’m sure that producers will grab b-roll shots with their Iphones on occasion – but I doubt that they wouldn’t have taken the shots with my 3G, or any other cell phone camera they had with them. The fact that the 4s has better imaging is, well, better – I’m glad I’ll have access to it when I upgrade my Iphone. But it’s not revolutionary in any way, and that claim was what started this whole thread

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[kim krause] “finally i have been acknowledged…”

You have often been acknowledged, just seldom agreed with.

[kim krause] “maybe some of those old farts will start to think of fcpx on a mac mini as a real editing system with an iPad controlling everything”

I have no doubt that it’s a real editing system, it’s just not one that I would ever want to use. There are many editing systems that people can make money with, it’s just that their workflows are simpler than mine. And that doesn’t mean they couldn’t cut more complex stuff, it just means that they can’t cut it as quickly and easily. A good cook can dice an onion with a cleaver, it’s still not the ideal tool for the job.

[kim krause] “especially in light of the fact that apple is slowly moving away from towers and formerly high end computers…..the latest iPad i s way more powerful than the best laptop of 6 years ago and the latest laptops blow away any desktop from just 2 years back”

And the latest desktops still blow away the laptops and ipads. So why, if I’m investing my money today, would I choose an Ipad to do a desktops job – especially when I work at a desk? Call me crazy but I don’t work in the bush, on a train, or at the local coffee shop and I have no desire to do so. In my cozy studio I have plenty of room for a workstation and multiple monitors, now why on earth would I want to edit with an Ipad?

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

If you read the article the shots were probably taken with the older iPhone, not the 4S. So my statement still stands – the 4s changes nothing.

Oliver Stone used 8mm shots in JFK, did this lead to 8mm film as a new viable production standard in Hollywood? The argument that the 4S is now somehow a viable alternative production camera is absurd.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

As opposed to the last 8″ floppy you bought, the last 5 1/4″ floppy, the last 3″ floppy, the last Zip Disk … yes I guess it’s only tape formats that get obsoleted, it will never happen to P2 cards.

What a world you live in.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

After looking at your post again I realized I had a few more things to say.

Currently Legacy handles 16 angles with live updates and up to 124 angles in all, with only the first 16 being updated live in the viewer. There is no difference coding for 16 than for 25 live angles, it’s just a matter of how much bandwidth your system can handle. With modern drive arrays and Thunderbolt connections 25 proxy angles should be possible. You just show your ignorance of multi-cam workflows when you get so flustered.

[Bill Davis] ” I don’t want to turn my laptop into your idea of a multi-cam monster. At ALL.”

#1 – nobodies asking you to do anything with your laptop,
#2 – as for your wants, last I looked you weren’t a member of the design team. At ALL.

[Bill Davis] “Maybe at some distant future point, we’ll have some kind of UBER-WiFi that lets some kid sit at their laptop and grab 25 plus real-time feeds from the cel phones surrounding a BMX race, but I’m not holding my breath for that.”

That distant point is now. For a “futurist” like yourself I’m surprised you don’t understand that. And it’s not a BMX race, it’s more likely a protest at Zucoti park and the kid is downloading clips from YouTube and syncing them by audio.

[Bill Davis] “Anyway, I personally I don’t want the dev team to spend a minute coding in stuff that only a tiny fraction of the users will ever really need.”

[Bill Davis] “It’s starting to sound like I’m listening to a parent for whom it doesn’t matter how decent and accomplished the kid the daughter brings home might be – that kid will never, ever, EVER be “good enough.””

And your starting to sound like someone who thinks X was designed expressly for him. It wasn’t, it isn’t.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions

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