[Herb Sevush]

[Gerald Baria] “does anyone here actually cc with Premiere Prto’s built in color corrector? Or AVIDs? Or any other major NLE(are there others)?”

Yes, I do.

I cut multi-cam in-studio productions. They are, 95% of the time, perfectly color balanced. There are times when we grab shots from unusual angles or we get outside material that has to get integrated into the show and I deal with those shots with the 3 way CC. It’s good enough for the purpose I need it for. Need a monitor though, and also need a monitor to look for field problems. Are you telling me I have to get Davinci Resolve just for those basic functions. What next, I have to get Pro Tools to do an audio dissolve?

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

[Bill Davis] “So sorry, Herb. I’m not buying your line of reasoning at all.”

It’s not reasoning Bill, it’s the English language. You said:

“It does titles, incorporates graphics, allows you to rough out – fine tune – finalize – and even export and delivery in ways that are acceptable to the entire planet of video delivery RIGHT THIS SECOND.”

The “it” is FCPX. FCPX cannot deliver video that is acceptable to PBS without using additional programs to overcome it’s limitations. PBS demands tape delivery, not files, that fall within extremely narrow and unarguable tolerances.

It’s true that you can export files from FCPX then color correct and print using other tools. That does not mean that “it (FCPX) … does export and delivery in ways that are acceptable to the entire planet of video delivery RIGHT THIS SECOND.”

What you could honestly say is that “it” in conjunction with other third party programs can do it. That is not the same thing.

[Bill Davis] “A. Tens of thousands of videos are finished daily that were shot properly (which is dimply defined as “to the standards of their producers) and so need NO color correction step whatsoever. I’d argue that the VAST majority of videos fall into this category even if *I* might feel that they could benefit from a CC step.”

True. But your previous statement was unequivocal – no tens of thousands – you said it would deliver to the “entire planet of video delivery.” That was an unqualified statement that isn’t true. Next time you might want to back off the “entire planet” phrase and use the words “many” or even “most.”

[Bill Davis] “B. I have output Quicktime files from FCP-X that were subsequently sent to stations for broadcast.
It may require something other than a single button push which might be “inconvenient” to you. But that’s not the same thing as your way overly broad “you cannot print to tape for broadcast delivery.” That’s another fine example of anit-X hyperbole. If one can “print” a QT file out of X (and anyone can) and put that on media – and distribute it. That’s the essential function anyone needs and X does that just like any other NLE.”

Try doing that with PBS and

First – your file will be rejected and then

Second – your producer will fire you.

They do not accept digital files as a deliverable for distribution, not by me, not by you, not by anyone. Not yet. Actually they still demand DVD screeners and accept SD material on BetaCam – ain’t that a kick.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

[Bill Davis] “and even export and delivery in ways that are acceptable to the entire planet of video delivery RIGHT THIS SECOND.”

I have no argument with most of your post, but this line is not true. X cannot color correct accurately since there is no video out and you cannot print to tape for broadcast delivery. It is possible to do those things by going outside of X and using other applications to fill in what X can’t do, but X, by itself, does not allow for broadcast delivery right this second. Avid does, FCP7 does, PPro does, Edius does, and I’m guessing Media 100 and Vegas do as well – FCPX, like Imovie, does not.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

[James Culbertson] “No need to be so harsh about yourself Herb. I don’t think any of you are idiots; just short-sighted”

Well, definitely near sighted.

[James Culbertson] “But even if you take McLuhan out of the picture.”

Yes, lets.

[James Culbertson] “This forum is still a textbook study of self-referential, mutual reinforcing, fear-based neo-tribal networks.”

And what is the name of your tribe, and where does it congregate – under the Apple Suckling Tree?

(let’s see if you get the reference without using Google, as historical as you are.)

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

[James Culbertson] ““The past went that-a-way. When faced with a totally new situation, we tend always to attach ourselves to the objects, to the flavor of the most recent past. We look at the present through a rear view mirror. We march backwards into the future.””

I take it this quote is for all those who believe Apple’s past innovations are sufficient proof of their future success.

[James Culbertson] ““I wouldn’t have seen it if I hadn’t believed it.””

This must be about the sheer incompetence of the FCPX roll-out.

[James Culbertson] “”A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and understanding.””

This works well for whoever you disagree with.

[James Culbertson] “”Innumerable confusions and a feeling of despair invariably emerge in periods of great technological and cultural transition.””

Let alone the out of pocket expenses.

This is like the scene in Annie Hall when Woody brings out the real Marshall McLuhan to berate the nearby idiots who are misinterpreting him.

Lesson to the young – Mr. McLuhan is a weapon that cuts both ways, be careful how you use him.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

[Gerald Baria] ” Aren’t you guys tired of doubting them.”

Nope.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

[Bill Davis] “Sooner or later all the folks who come here to moan about how Apple has ruined their lives will go to the Premier and Avid boards to piss and moan about how badly they are being treated there – because complaining without proffering constructive alternatives is just a manifestation of the “victim” state of mind, nothing more.”

[Bill Davis] “”Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor”

As always Bill, your good for a chuckle in the morning.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

[Steve Connor] “You’ve always been able to do that, if that’s so great why use Apple in the first place?”

Because of FCP. It was the sole reason I ever bought a Mac in the first place. With it’s demise, it looks like I’m back in the land of hot rods.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

[Craig Seeman] “Put your MacPro on it’s side. Get rid of the handles and legs. Then cut the height down since it’ll only have two PCIe slots (one populated with GPU). You’re losing the optical drive as well as all the internal hard drive expansion. They’ll have to deal with air flow/cooling but I think it’s possible if not likely for Apple to head in this direction. The goal is to maintain a “Pro” CPU/GPU and allow everything else to be external.”

Sounds fine to me. If the peripherals are on the outside it makes it easier to swap out and change. I have no love for opening dusty computer cases and swapping out boards hunched under my desk.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

[Chris Harlan] “since the commoditization of NLE software is probably nearing its end, and the price of specialty equipment may again scale upward.”

I agree totally and think this is an essential point. As consumer computers better serve their core constituencies they become less useable to high end users. The brief window of time where the mass market computer and the needs of the high end user coincided is nearing an end. It may be that the future of editing is with a higher priced workstation running Linux – and I don’t know that there’s anything wrong with that model.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf