[Greg Janza]

walter, thanks for making us aware of that fascinating thread.

I fall heavily into the camp of needing a lot of time to figure out an edit. I thoroughly appreciate the efficiency tools that continuously improve in NLE’s but for me none of that efficiency is as important as taking the necessary time to let an edit evolve into what it’s supposed to become.

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[Greg Janza]

Speed in regards to editing can sometimes be a benefit but certainly not all of the time.

I think this piece speaks to this notion quite well:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/05/malcolm-gladwell-heres-why-you-should-slow-down-and-do-less.html

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[Greg Janza]

I would second using Vimeo 1080p or the 1280p preset. The quality of those presets is very high.

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[Greg Janza]

i think option three is your best strategy. You’re going to get a lot more for your money and you’ll have the option to upgrade the system in the future.

the one thing I would alter is your motherboard. i think it’s worth it to get a mobo with thunderbolt 3.

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[Greg Janza]

[Bob Miller] “This is obviously not fast enough, but put here for the heck of it because it’s cheaper:”

For 4k editing with compressed files, that speed is more than enough. If you plan on editing uncompressed 4k you’re going to need a beefy raid at max speed but for compressed 4k, a raid that tests around 400/MB/s read/write will be quite sufficient.

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[Greg Janza]

If you’re doing open captions, I’d recommend using Submerge along with Amara.org. Submerge will import a caption file (.srt, .ass/.ssa, .stl, .vtt ) and marry it to a video. And the paid version will dump out a pro res file.

Amara.org is for creating your subtitles. It’s much easier than using any of the caption tools in Premiere. Create your subtitles in Amara, export a .srt file and then use Submerge to create a final open caption version of any video.

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[Greg Janza]

the notion of pro res being a selling point to stay with Apple is kind of ridiculous.

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[Greg Janza]

Thanks for posting. Michael Cioni’s talk is fascinating and gets to the heart of the Apple conundrum.

My personal take would be that the Apple leadership team is way too late to focus it’s energy now on the professional user base and how to better service their needs. However, I can only use my own experience as reference though.

The emotional attachment that Cioni uses to define the unique connection that professional users have with Apple is also I think at the core of why some of us have abandoned the company altogether.

In my own experience, I was completely loyal to the company and it’s product line for about 25 years. And for most of that time the products served me well. But the seismic shift that occurred in the editing marketplace starting in 2011 introduced the idea that Apple had abandoned it’s commitment to the professional user. For me, that was the start of viewing the company in a much more critical light. I went from loyal customer and fan to an emotionally detached critic.

And the idea of jumping ship was made easier when Adobe fully developed it’s platform agnostic creative suite.

I now happily work on a PC and my MBP gathers dust. The decision to leave the company wasn’t an easy one due to the length of the relationship but the funny thing is that once the decision was made to leave the fold a feeling of liberation took over.

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[Greg Janza]

As Tero suggests, you need to know what type of 4k material you’re trying to play back. What’s the codec and data rate?

The ability to play back 4k is primarily a function of the speed of your thru put. What type of drive is the media on? How fast are those drives. You can use the Blackmagic speed test utility to quickly determine if your drives are fast enough.

Also, the best place to test out your footage is inside of Premiere since you can choose your resolution level. I would avoid VLC.

Here’s an Apple White paper on pro res data rates to give you a sense of the bandwidth you’ll need to play back pro res 4k:

https://images.apple.com/final-cut-pro/docs/Apple_ProRes_White_Paper.pdf

[Greg Janza]

I’ve updated on a windows 10 machine with no noticeable issues.