[Greg Janza]

[Brent Marginet] “myself and the assistant editor were trained in Premiere two days before Shooting started”

Just like with FCPX, the learning curve with Premiere is steep if you’re used to Avid or FCP 7. So you decided to learn “trial by fire” style and therefore a mountain of frustrations come with the territory.

In order to fairly judge the program you’re going to need to abandon the comparisons with Avid. It’s kind of an apples and oranges situation since Avid has such a richly developed media management engine and the software itself is finely tuned to film and television production.

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[Greg Janza]

I think this thread and the originating thread might be very helpful to other editors out there.

Bins don’t really exist in many people’s editing worlds. Personally, I make stringouts of all of my material to start and then use those stringouts to do all searches. It’s a very efficient system overall and it eliminates the need to organize or tag material.

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[Greg Janza]

Richard, sorry, i didn’t fully pay attention the first time to the difference in how the shared folder was set up in that video and how i had my raid share set up.

I shared a folder from the raid with that process and voila, all works now. FCPX works fine with the NTFS raid and I can save the FCPX library to the raid as well. Thanks!

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970
OWC Thunderbay 12t x 2 in Raid10 configuration (thru Storage Spaces and Disk Management)

[Greg Janza]

Richard, thanks for the informational video but my problem is localized to FCPX only. I have no problem sharing my pc formatted raid with my mac. The only issue I have is that within FCPX, I can’t select the raid. FCPX doesn’t see it as a viable share.

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970
OWC Thunderbay 12t x 2 in Raid10 configuration (thru Storage Spaces and Disk Management)

[Greg Janza]

[Joe Marler] “But you are apparently not directly connecting your Mac to the RAID, but using ethernet. Unless that’s 10 gig, that will cut your I/O performance (for both Premiere and FCPX) to a fraction of what’s available from the RAID”

whether it’s the ethernet connection or some other aspect of my setup, the ntfs formatted raid works fine on the mac and it can read and write.

and yes, there’s a hit on speed by having it connected through ethernet but that’s ok because I do most of my editing on the pc side.

[Joe Marler] “If you want to evaluate FCPX from a feature or performance standpoint, it’s probably better to put those files on locally attached storage”

I’m currently using FCPX with local storage since I can’t get FCPX to see my raid.

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[Greg Janza]

[Richard Herd] “How are you getting your macs to see the drives?”

Yes, I’m just connecting to a server and selecting the raid. However, I’m also not using Apple’s built in file sharing at all.

In preferences I have file sharing turned off. The built in OSX file sharing just isn’t very good so I’m using SMBup. It’s a complete replacement for Apple’s built in file sharing protocol. There’s other replacement file sharing apps out there but this one has worked well for me.

It’s a direct ethernet connection to my pc and so the transfer speed is fast enough to edit on the mac with the raid as the media drive.

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970
OWC Thunderbay 12t x 2 in Raid10 configuration (thru Storage Spaces and Disk Management)

[Greg Janza]

[Andy Neil] “Format your RAID for the Mac and then you can use it on both systems with no issues.”

not an option since the raid is formatted for pc so that I can use it with thunderbolt on pc.

Howard, I’ll try your suggestion and see if the raid is happier with FCPX.

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970
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[Greg Janza]

What does a pc equivalent cost?
A lot less and it’s endlessly modifiable and upgradeable.

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970
OWC Thunderbay 12t x 2 in Raid10 configuration (thru Storage Spaces and Disk Management)

[Greg Janza]

[Andy Neil] “at least Mac can view files on NTFS and ExFAT and FAT32 drives. PCs can’t read any OS formatted drives and never have been able to. “

PC’s are surprisingly versatile these days and that’s partly why I migrated from mac to pc. I have no issues reading any kind of drive on the PC side. I also don’t think of it as a PC failing since I’ve had no issues with Premiere on either the mac side or pc side reading from raids or external drives.

[Andy Neil] “Are there any other “no brainer” things that premiere does better?”

Let me work in fcpx a bit more so that I don’t sound uninformed. Perhaps the list is shorter than I think.

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970
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[Greg Janza]

[Steve Connor] “Because Compressor is sooooo expensive :)”

funny. the cost is obviously nominal.

Happily I’ve found the bug of exporting a master file. If I select a range of the entire timeline it’ll export out but if I just select share as master file without selecting a range first then it won’t work. odd.

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Samsung SSD 850 EVO Adobe cache
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970
OWC Thunderbay 12t x 2 in Raid10 configuration (thru Storage Spaces and Disk Management)