Gary Huff
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[Joseph W. Bourke] “Not exactly…but there was a certain cold satisfaction from exposing you as the sly manipulator you appear to be…just twist those old words anyway you want…did you used to sell used cars, by any chance?”
Are you seriously suggesting that I’m trying to backtrack? I thought I was pretty clear on what I meant, but in case you need help, Craig echos my sentiment here:
[Craig Seeman] “With Adobe, if you end the service contract, you don’t have something that works. This obviously is the peeve. Need to use it again and, at the very least, you need to rent it for a month.”
I can understand people who don’t care for a software subscription model because of the above. I am not personally bothered by it, as I’ve had a pleasant experience with Creative Cloud so far, and with Steam, which had a similar rough birth back in the day (though it’s not at all a subscription-based model).
However, if trying to catch me in error gives you pleasure, please, by all means continue. I can be just as full of it as anyone from time to time. So I’m sure you’re come up with something eventually. I just try really hard not to be.
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[Joseph W. Bourke] “Dead wrong – Gary -“
Did your hands tremble with excitement as you typed that?
I meant software…as in, you spend $1200, you lose software…not assets.
Clear?
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “adobe are formally guaranteeing live download access to up to three or so CS versions prior. you’ve got them all. they really are throwing the kitchen sink in that sense.
but only while you pay rent. they are very extremely determined to remove software ownership here.”Yeah, I would have them remove the authentication aspect from CS5 and provide you with a serial number, so that it would work like CS2 does currently after you’ve been a paying customer for X amount of time…so that at least you get something for all the money going their way.
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[Cameron Clendaniel] “For an incredibly expansive suite of software that has a great track record, for people that are presumably making a living off of it I don’t understand the angst over $50/month.”
It’s because after, say, two years and $1200, if you stop paying monthly, you have nothing.
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[Andy Field] “But I simply don’t understand creative professionals justifying this.”
Because unless you want “creative professionals” to only stem from people with money, then you have to understand that sometimes it’s a way for people who cannot otherwise afford it or have an opportunity to work with the software, to obtain it and learn on it for longer than 30 days.
I would say that there are plenty who can say, “Yes, my first experience with X software was a pirated version, which I have now used for X number of years that I’ve been a paying customer.”
I simply see nothing morally or ethnically wrong with that at all.
And, BTW, as I pointed out before, simply being a hardliner against copyright infringement is not going to stop a single person from infringing on my work. I’ve come to terms with it, because otherwise it’s something I can’t do anything about other than worry. Why waste my time worrying about something I am powerless to prevent?
[Andy Field] “(the rationalization “I was using it to learn on and never did any paid for work or created something of value with it”….may fall into fair use….the lawyers will have to weigh in on that)”
Yeah, it doesn’t fall into that.
Someone cracking Adobe Creative Cloud is committing copyright infringement since they are primarily doing it to use software they aren’t paying for, but if their crack saves your ass when your legitimate copy fails authentication for some reason, does that make it so bad?
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[Andy Field] “. Gary, you are a professional photographer…you’re OK with people pirating your work and not getting paid?”
No.
Is it a fact of life and there’s nothing I can really do about it?
Yes. And you know what else? If you are dead set against piracy and decry it at every opportunity, it’s not going to save your own output from not being pirated one iota. It strikes me that people seem to have this idea in the back of their heads, “Hey as long as I’m deadset against piracy, the copyright gods will bless me.” Doesn’t work like that.
Let me ask you something: there are two names on this thread who had admitted to software piracy. What should their punishment be?
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[Dominic Deacon] “I started off with a pirated copy of FCP 5 (I think) which allowed me to edit my first feautre. It was a hobby job with no money coming in and very little going out.”
Well, so you’re nothing more than a common thief. Might as well be taking money out of a cash register.
Why aren’t you in jail?
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[Craig Seeman] “I can imagine a whole bunch of lower budget clients will be hanging on to CS6 to deliver their Photoshop and Illustrator to me.”
I’ve shot for clients still using FCP5 on a 2006 MacBook Pro.
Astounding.
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[Andy Field] “How on earth is using software you did not pay for, created by people who spent years creating,”
And who got paid a salary for every one of those years.
Again, I’m trying to avoid the b.s. by people who haven’t seemed to think this issue through. You want to argue a completely different question then what was asked, which was “Is it really so bad?”
Adobe has been a profitable company throughout the period where their software was one of the most pirated in the world. The people who did the direct work of creating this software all got paid on salary, which was not directly tied to any amount of copies that were sold.
Exactly how bad is it? I don’t care if you have a problem with it. I’m not saying that it’s right or should be legal or whatever. But the fact remains that people pirate, have pirated, and will pirate, and our response to these thought-exercises should be to look at things as they are, and not just offer some knee-jerk robotic response of “Copyright infringement is stealing and stealing is bad and you should feel bad.”