Brian Deviteri
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From my understanding, it depends on the situation. I think Avid really ends up using their own DNxHD codec for everything until you output, so it has to be “converted” in some form at sometime, usually during import… and I believe P2 files need to be changed into an Avid flavor file (some OMF format I believe) despite the fact they say “native” editing. As far as I know, there is no PC version of a DVCPRO HD codec available right now and since Avid runs on Quicktime, it might just be a Quicktime thing.
From what I’ve heard from other users, Avid’s handling of DVCPRO HD is not really all that great, and it’s the same with almost every other editing platform. I even know some FCP users that have trouble with DVCPRO HD at times. BUT, Avid is a Panasonic partner and it will work. Apple is a Panasonic partner and it will work. But are the results perfect, probably not. Is the workflow exactly what everyone is looking for, definately not.
Give Cineform some time, they will have something out soon enough… but it’ll be a transcode to Cineform AVI, which if you ask me, is really not a bad thing!
Q: Will Aspect HD support Panasonic’s HVX-200 camera?
A: A future update to Aspect HD will support Panasonic’s HVX-200, but we aren’t ready to announce details. Stay tuned….Q: Does Prospect HD support editing of DVCPRO-HD material?
A: Not at this time. Unfortunately there is no publicly available DVCPRO HD codec (or even decoder) available on the PC, and we have not written our own. We hope to add editing support for DVCPRO HD material, but that time is still in front of us. At this point the best we can offer is to ingest DVCPRO HD material into CineForm Intermediate over HD-SDI. -
What happans when you use the built-in burn to DVD and author in PPro? What options are you given in terms of audio encoding and video encoding? Personally, I never purchased the Surcode AC3 plug-in since I had Encore available on my system. I did all my AC3 encoding in Encore and I’m assuming that Encore 2.0 will still do my AC3 encoding, especially when purchasing Surcode will run another $300.
But if I do not purchase this plug-in after the 3 trials, will I just be able to do MPEG audio and PCM audio from PPro then? I’m kinda curious, especially when Encore can do it without the need to purchase additional software and/or plug-ins. This built-in burn to DVD in PPro seems to be a “light” version of Encore for quick DVD burns, but maybe I’m wrong on that too.
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Thanks for the info!
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In terms of industry, After Effects needed an update in order to remain competitive. It was seriously due for a major update and that is probably why there is so much more that seems to have been done with it… and all the “bundles” want you to get it now too.
I too am disapointed with no Panasonic DVCPRO HD .MXF/P2 support. On the surface reading everything thing, it really looks possible, but there is no mention at all. I’m waiting for Cineform to step in and show us what they’ve come up with on this one.
The multicam thing for PPro does look cool, but as I said before, it seems like a lot of the 3rd party applications and plug-ins that people were using with PPro 1.5 are now part of PPro 2.0 as a standard. It’s nice, but there were solutions to use before, so I don’t know how highly I hold those new features right now… but I do have to say, I think Adobe’s take on multicam will be a lot more seamless than some of the other solutions I have tried in the past with other plug-ins and editing platforms.
Audition has some nice new features for audio folks, but it’s not an overhaul if that’s what you were expecting. I like the better integration with PPro – a few clicks and you can edit the audio from a clip directly in Audition and then bring it back to PPro, at least that’s what it looks like on paper.
Encore looks good and the workflow seems to look similar to a mesh between some Apple applications and a lot of the higher end Sonic applications. This isn’t a bad thing, but I was expecting to at least see basic authoring support for either HD-DVD or Blue-ray… maybe in an update? I am curious what improvements have been made to dual-layer authoring though, no one has mentioned that at all. But it does look like some of the basics from Encore are now wrapped directly into PPro. Not something that I’d necessarily use for full disc authoring, but it looks like it’s great for one offs and test discs to check materials.
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This was possible with DV Date and similar plug-ins in the past, but having it built right into the application will make things easier for a lot of people.
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I’m not even asking if you can do it natively. I’ll even use a 3rd party application or plug-in. I just want someway to take HD captures and files, convert them to a “DV offline” or a smaller bitrate intermediary codec file… edit away, work with the footage, etc. Then re-synch the original HD footage to the project.
(Cineform, are you listening?)
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Eric,
This is where I think Cineform will still play a large role in the post-production workflow of many users. As you know, Adobe has opted to move away from Cineform’s intermediary codec for HDV in favor of “native” HDV editing (I think it’s a marketing thing to compete with the other “big” companies). Anyone who has edited with the Cineform intermediary codec knows that the performance is top notch. Yes, it may add a little time to the process (compared to native HDV editing), but when working with the footage during an edit, and the end results, it really is worth it in my opinion. It really makes working with HDV the same as DV in terms of system performance… not much else can live up to that if you ask me.
In the end, what is all boils down to is cost. Do you want to edit HDV natively in PPro without an intermediary? If so, you will need to spend money on a beefier machine to see better results – more CPU, more RAM, faster hard drives, etc. Do you want to edit with an intermediary? If so, you can spend money on that and probably get amazing results through your current setup. Just my two cents…
Brian
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I may be the only one who thinks this, but it seems like Adobe has added quite a few of the 3rd party “little things” to the Premiere Pro 2.0 package, many that we were finding as outside soltuions. I’m still waiting to see how PPro2.0 handles DVCPRO 50 and DVCPRO HD on P2 cards, and if it can do it natively (lots of clients want to use this camera), but I know Cineform is working on something.
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thanks for the reply Jacob! I can’t wait to read your new book for PPro 2.0…
if you don’t mind my asking, what are the key features that you find in 2.0 that really help you when editing on a laptop?
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It’s my understanding that you will need to convert the files on the P2 card to some sort of AVI flavor, probably using a Firestore DV File Converter program or similar. Cineform offers an HDLink utility that converts HDV footage in M2V format to a Cineform AVI, so I’m guessing they will eventually support DVCPRO HD or come up with a similar product to do a data conversion of DVCPRO HD to the Cineform AVI codec.