Bob Zelin
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If you have 3 – 4 edit systems, I urge to to purchase a Netgear XS708T 10G switch for this.
You can easily have all 4 edit systems not only doing DNxHD36, but DNxHD145, 220, and higher as well. 4K will be no issue for you.None of this will work if you do not purchase 3 – 4 licenses of Indiestor Mimiq – one for each Media Composer workstation. They are about $250 each, and no , there is no work around to avoid this.
Contact at Indiestor is
alex@indiestor.comIf you need 10G adapters for your computers, for a Thunderbolt 3 computer, get the QNAP QNA-T310G1T (About $180). For Thunderbolt 2 computers, get the Sonnet Solo 10G T2.
For Win PC’s, get the QNAP QXG-10G1T ($89). iMac Pros, new Mac Pro’s, and 2018 Mac Minis have built in 10G ports. Everything else needs the adapters.Please let me know if you have any further questions.
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The 2 year warantee – this is what I have found.
QNAP systems never break. With that said (since I have installed over 600 QNAP systems) – QNAP absolutely writes screwed up firmware sometimes. This will cause your QNAP to stop working.
So you find out which firmware releases are stable before you upgrade. The most recent QTS 4.4.1 releases have been stable, but that took a long time. So I kept people on QTS 4.3.6.1070 for a long time (similar to talking about Apple macOS releases that work, or don’t work – like Catalina, and all the dot versions). But as far as the QNAP “breaking” – that doesn’t happen. Buy a good UPS from Cyberpower or APC, so you don’t take power hits that will destroy your power supply.As for the drives, I started to use Seagate Ironwolf and EXOS drives when Western Digital got rid of the HGST brand. They work great. What you will find today, in 2020 – is that drives that are going to die, will die within the first 48 hours – and then you use your warantee after that to get a replacement. After that, the drives typically keep working, with rare exception (which is why I always create a RAID 6 these days). At some point, you are going to say “ok, I got my money’s worth out of these drives” – and in 5 years from now, drives will all be double the size they are today, or they will all be SSD’s or NVMe’s or whatever comes out 5 years from now – so you won’t care.
I believe you said that you had 2TB drives. You can’t even get replacement’s for 2TB professional drives. The smallest pro 7200 RPM drive now is 4TB. And in February 2020, the largest Seagate drive is 16 TB, and they are completely stable. And they have announced that later this year they will release a 20 TB 7200 RPM SATA drive ! So what value does your 2TB drive have today ?
By the time your drives start to fail, they will be obsolete. Just buy the size that you need and you will be fine. With an 8 bay enclosure and 10TB drives, after RAID 6 you will have 60 TB of usable storage that will be able to do 4K editing.
Bob Zelin
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Hi Jim –
1 Gb/sec (not GB/sec) is 1073 MB/sec, which is how most people measure video speeds. This is because of video speed test programs, like AJA System Test, Blackmagic Disk Speed Test, and Crystal Mark.SO – for example – a QNAP TVS-872XT, which is an 8 bay NAS system costs $1800.
https://www.amazon.com/QNAP-TVS-872XT-i5-16G-US-Thunderbolt-10GbE-slots/dp/B07JXZ2PXJ/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=tvs-872XT&qid=1582327741&sr=8-2You add eight matching 7200 RPM SATA drives (the smallest drives you can purchase today are
Seagate Ironwolf 4TB drives). This will give you 24 TB of usable storage. Of course, you can purchase today 10TB, 12TB, 14TB and 16TB drives (yes, you need eight matching drives) – and then you will have an enormous amount of storage in this tiny $1800 eight bay box. The drives may cost more than the QNAP.The QNAP has a built in 10Gbase-T port, that you connect to your computer.
If you have a Windows 10 PC, you get a QNAP QXG-10G1T, which will cost you $89, and you will get about 1000 MB/sec.Macs will be usually slower. Using a Thunderbolt 3 QNAP QNA-T310G1T which is a thunderbolt 3 to 10G adapter, you will get about 800 – 900 MB/sec from Mac to the QNAP. This adapter will cost you about $185.
If you have an older Thunderbolt 2 computer – you have 2 choices. If you choose the Sonnet Solo 10G T2, this is $199, but you will only get about 400 MB/sec bandwidth to the NAS. IF you choose the more expensive Sonnet Twin 10G, which is $485, you will get about 800 MB/sec to the NAS.
Once you have a NAS product, you can connect to MULTIPLE computers, that can all do 4K editing.
You will also be able to have remote access over the internet to these files – so that freelancers or clients can remote access this media (they will be uploading and downloading to the NAS – you can’t edit over the internet).If you spend the money to get 10TB SATA drives instead of 4TB SATA drives, you will have 60 TB of USABLE storage after RAID 6 in the TVS-872XT. A Seagate Ironwolf 10TB drive is $268, and you would need eight of these. To go all the way to 16TB, those are more expensive – actually, I see now that on Amazon, the Seagate EXOS 16 TB drives are $389 each. After RAID 6 (2 drives can fail) you would have 96TB of usable storage.
So you consider that you are spending $1800 for an 8 bay QNAP, and then you choose your eight drives. IT’s up to you.
I build systems like this every day.
Bob Zelin
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No –
of course it does not make sense to invest in old architecture. ProAvio enclosures are completely obsolete now. Sonnet RAID’s were made by JMR. They are completely obsolete.
Just buy a modern NAS system, and you are done. You can put in huge 16 TB drives, and have an insane amount of storage at your disposal.Bob Zelin
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Eric writes – now just to be clear, these Macs are connected via network.
REPLY – all of these systems, no matter who makes it, are connected to a network.
You need to have control of the network, or you must have cooperation from the company, or school IT person, in order to get this to work. There is no guessing.I always setup any system with two networks – the corporate network for internet, and a seperate 10G network. You need to know EXACTLY where these computers are connecting to . To a house Cisco switch that is all DHCP, or to a dedicated 10G switch, where you (or your IT guys) have setup all static IP addresses.
To respond – “well, I don’t know, it just connects to another building, and those guys have the switches and the Synology server, and I don’t know how they have it connected” – well then, nothing is ever going to get resolved.
Bob Zelin
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Rescue 1, Inc.
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you do not want to remove the drives from ANY RAID array. This is not a removable storage device. You create the RAID and you leave it alone. If a drive fails, you can pull it out with power on (that is why they call it hot swappable), put in the replacment, and it will auto rebuild, and you can keep working while this is all happening. This is not a “dock” where you can pop drives in and out.
You can use the second QNAP as a backup system to the main QNAP, and use QNAP’s free HBS3 to backup from one QNAP to the other QNAP.
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Rescue 1, Inc.
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1- I am looking to buy the qnap tvs 872xt mainly for 2-3 stations to share Avid storage. Is buying extra Ram from 16 to 32GB necessary or really needed?
REPLY – the TVS-872XT is an excellent product. You only need 16 Gig of RAM. Because you are running AVID Media Composer, you will need to purchase an Indiestor Mimiq license for each computer that will run Media Composer. This will give you full AVID Bin Locking, just like AVID Nexis. Can you get away from not buying Mimiq – NO. You must buy Mimiq licenses.
Also – any news on an upgrade to this unit soon?
REPLY – the TVS-872XT is a new unit, introduced in 2019. There is no “update”. QNAP has regular firmware update about every 30 days.
2- And what about adding an internal ssd module. Do I need the extra speed?
REPLY – no, this will not help for video editing.
3- Looking at Seagate drives- Exos or Ironwolf. Is there a preferred?
REPLY – they both work perfectly, and are both approved by QNAP. Just make sure you are using 7200 RPM drives, and not 5900 RPM drives.
Bob Zelin
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Rescue 1, Inc.
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Hi Eric –
it’s not the Synology, and it’s not Catalina.
If you have a 2013 6,1 Mac Pro and a thunderbolt 2 adapter like a Sonnet Twin 10G or Promise SanLink2, you MUST go into recovery mode on the Mac, disable SIP (csrutil disable)
reboot, then you can reload the 10G driver, reboot again, and now everything will be fast.
You should also turn of SMB signing.The only adapter on a Thunderbolt 2 computer that just “plugs in and works” is the Sonnet Solo 10G T2, which is $199. This adaptor maxes out at about 400 MB/sec, so the older Sonnet Twin 10G or Promise SanLink2 will be dramatically faster – BUT you have to disable Apple System Integrity Protection (SIP) with csrutil disable in Recovery mode on the Mac.
The command to disable SMB signing in the file /etc/nsmb.conf is
[default]
signing_required=no
save it and reboot. You will be fast.Bob Zelin
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this is why I should have gone into the elevator repair business – there is so much more money in that, then in professional video.
I wanted the DP to be important. I wanted the editor to be important. I wanted the camera op to be important. I want the AE to be important. I want the best equipment – be it film, or video, or lenses, or audio, or computers, or monitors, etc.
But it’s not. It’s the movie (or TV show, or documentary). It’s the subject, the script, and how it was directed (and yes, put together by the editor). No one cares about any of this stuff, except for “us”.
Boo hoo – maybe I can get into plumbing.
Bob
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you can get this –
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1480231-REG/g_technology_0g10386_g_speed_shuttle_xl_112tb.htmlthat is a nice 112 TB G-Tech G-Speed Shuttle XL with 112 TB, that is just plug and play for
thunderbolt 3.or you can purchase a NAS like a QNAP TVS-872XT, but this will require a more complex setup.
Nothing will be easier than buying a dedicated large RAID array.
Bob Zelin
Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
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