[Bob Flood]

ben

the clips were from and edl import capturing from beta sp 8 bit 525

I also keep getting these prompts to rename a file name, and i have tried it both ways (new name AND Skip)

thanx

“I like video because its so fast!”

Bob Flood
Greer & Associates, Inc.

[Bob Flood]

Lee

format conversion, like from 720 x 486 to 720 x 540 or wahtever, needs to be done in fcp as a deliberate kind of thing, or you will simply get a squeezed image. (in most cases)

the best thing to do is to work at 720 x 486 until you are ready to output, then make a 720 x 480 timeline and cut your sequence into that. Then scale your source sequence accordingly. FCP may autonaltically put a distort on your sequence to get it to fit, just shut it off

If you need to be more specific with your scaling such that you want to crop the top on some shots, but the bottom on others, you cna make edits at those points (dividing your source sequence into “chunks”) then do the appropriate scaling.

does this help?

bee eph

Bob Flood
Greer & Associates, Inc.

[Bob Flood]

DRW

hey guy!

OK! i thought something like that was the case as, like you say, HDV is not really a series of frames as its a data stream.

The reason for my testing is that i have read some posts, and i think walter talks about it as well, that people are capturing and then re capturing
vis a vis the ol edit workflow (lots at lo rez then final at hi rez)

I cant see how that would work based on this test. the current mind set would be to capture all yer gonna use at full rez , and then make lo rez proxies to edit with then relinking when all is said and done the downside of that is if you are busy like we get sometimes and you only have one system soemone has to stay late! (we gotr spoiled by having 2 edits!)

bee eph

Bob Flood
Greer & Associates, Inc.

[Bob Flood]

actually, ben, its more like no time.

did a coupla jobs at hdv and was underwhelmed at the performance.

then i took a job that was captured at hdv and converted via media manager to dvcprohd and found the performance to be better

sooo i was trying to establish a workflow to capture direct to dvcprohd OR dvcpro50 at 16×9 OR 8 bit uncompressed at 16×9 via my kona lh card and analog component out of the hdv vtr. I already had a my show at DV (it was digitized on FCP4 running on an imac) so i needed to find the offset through the card. That is wehen i found the one frame error.

What i have come to realize is this: even though hdv or dvcprohd looks good on my big plasma monitor, nobody is looking at hd deleverables, so wahts the point? as a matter of fact being at HD gets in the way of making SD DVDs and so on.

So i think my newest workflow is to grab everything only once at either DVCprohd OR dv50 or 8 bit, THEN make dv or offline rt copies for editing THEN erlink to the high rez files. at least i wont have to recapture abd deal with a one frame drift.

BTW has anyone else had these issues?

bee eph

Bob Flood
Greer & Associates, Inc.

[Bob Flood]

thanx to both of you!!!

i’ll look through the manual to delve further, but it has nothing to do with marks or selection? only where the cusror ie cti is parked?

bee eph

Bob Flood
Greer & Associates, Inc.

[Bob Flood]

jeremy et al

after spending a restful night sleeping and doing NOn video things, i have returned

I see now why its imprtant to be able to inclusde that extra frame. when you are scrolling through a peice of film frame by frame, or a video clip frame bt frame its necessary to mark out and include the frame you are seeing

i could go on and on about how one style of editing differ from the other (marking on the fly versus joggin frame by frame) but enough has been said

How about this:

1. put in a preference to include or exclude the visible frame when you mark out AND

2. Make the “/” key work in the viewer! that way you can cut your shots up just like film! the slash key is called make edit, so make edit in the viewer! i mean if you think about it, thats really the difference, in video when you mark in and out you parenthesize, in film there is no mark in or mark out there is only “cut here”

see what a good noghts sleep can do!

bee eph

Bob Flood
Greer & Associates, Inc.

[Bob Flood]

hey bob

we have been using a UVW 1800 for quite some time. This particualr machine has the Micheal Sellman AFM Audio Mod, which allows us to master with much higher quality audio then the standard Longitudinal Tracks. in its current configuration we are connected to it via a kona lh using analog component.

we have it cabled so the analog compnent video comes out of the kona, loops through a sony 19″ SD monitor, connects to the VTR (Video TapeRecorder) Compnent Video In, then out of the VTR back to the Kona. WE also have a Tektronix waveform monitor and vectorscope on the composite video outs of the VTR to double check our levels. We use a Mackie 1604 16 input 6 output mixer between the VTR and FCP. feeeding FCP off busses 1 and 2 , Feeding the VTR off busses 3 and 4 and using the MIX bus for monitoring and feeding a lite on dvd recorder.

we own an HDV camcorder, so we like to edit either HDV or DVCPROHD 16×9 and throw it up on a big plasma screen (it is quite stunning) BUT when i need to lay it off to tape for broadcast i use the Konas Downconverter to give me something i can put on the beta. usually 16×9 anamorphic and letterboxed. All the audio is +4 in and out, using the canon connectors on the mixer, kona, and betacam,

FWIW we did not spring for the break out box, as it gave us no advantage for the price, so we use the snake cable.

Unfortunately i was not involved in the purchase of the system, as i would have configured it differently. I would have include an SDI to component converter to feed my VTR and standard def moniter, an SDI to composite and YC converter to feed the scopes and dvd burners, and Used the konas analog component to feed the plasma screen

we built the edit room so that all the gear lives in a separate “machine room” next door, keeping the noise and heat isolated from the edit space

hope this helps

bee eph

Bob Flood
Greer & Associates, Inc.

[Bob Flood]

Tom

afterseeing your kind freindly face up in the forum header i am reconsidering my boycotting of your education materials. as we say in yiddish “such a shayna punom” (sic)

i want the i and the o button to behave like parentheses.

when i press i it will delineeate all of the material forward of that point, inclusive of the my mark and when i press o it will delineate all the material previous of the mark excluding the frame i am looking at.

i guess i never considered in all the years of doing this that when i press o i wont get the frame i am seeing. i have become so used to doing this way i never gave it much thought.i think i have gotten used to marking out after what i want.

however. if there were a setting to include or exclude that frame i think it would be a user preference, as some people see it your way, and some dont

i agree that when certain parameters are in the preferences it is a pain to keep swapping them. for example i was trying to finish 2 jobs up, one was sd and one was hdv. i had to keep swithcing my av settings so i could se waht i was doing on my ntsc monitor. even with a custom easy setup or 2 it would have been annoying.

but lets keep talking

bee eph

Bob Flood
Greer & Associates, Inc.

[Bob Flood]

Jeremy

YES I am not crazy! it is inconsistent AND illogical AND ESPECIALLY its not how you edit movies!

When i get a minute, i am going to feedback to apple about this. you should too!

bee eph

Bob Flood
Greer & Associates, Inc.

[Bob Flood]

Tom

I really have gone on too long about this, but you have provoked my ire

you must take me for an idiot.

of cousre i understand how it works. and i do not think it works well. it makes absolutely no sense to include the next frame after where you marked out. none nada I do not care if its becuz of the way the outpoint was designed by the programmers, or where the cti falls in the edit, or where heinz gets its beans. this has nothing to do with “its a computer versus a tape machine”. its inconvenient, confusing, and illogical. AND most important, its not the way you edit movies!

and i would hope that fixing this flaw would be done in such a way as too NOT cause more keystrokes DUH

I also find your reply of “fortunately your wish will never be met” to be insulting and elitst. based on that statement alone i can honeslty say i would never use your teaching materials, nor reccomend them to anyone i know.

BTW I tried your suggestion of shift o and it brought me to the end of the timline, not to the end of the clip

Bob Flood
Greer & Associates, Inc.