[Andrew Kimery]

[Brian Seegmiller] “Historically those people don’t edit their own videos so….”

So… they might start editing on the Windows machines they already have. ????

[James Culbertson] “The point being that I have never been adverse to trying new NLEs even if the majority of other editors at the time are resistant to that new NLE (which in the past also included Premiere and FCP Legacy, etc.). Same as it ever was.”

This has been my POV for the last 7 or 8 years. Gone are the days of uber-expensive editing software that’s tied to specific hardware so if you are a freelancer that bounces around between gigs I think it’s just common sense to be fluent in multiple NLEs. Even if you don’t bounce around I think of keeping up on various NLEs falls under the umbrella of professional development.

In the past year I’ve been paid to edit on Avid, PPro, and X. I’m sure at some point in the not-to-distant future I’ll get paid to edit on Resolve.

[Andrew Kimery]

[Bill Davis] “If you don’t mind me asking, what type of transcripts have you pulled from a wedding? Would it be for a best man speech type thing? Or perhaps something like a reception camera set up to do automated talking head best wishes? I’m having a bit of difficulty understanding how a transcript would help in an event type of situation. “

I haven’t done transcripts for a wedding before, but your example is the sort of thing that I would use them for. In the wedding videos that I did in the past I’d cut a 10min or so highlight reel and then do very loose editing on the rest of the event to get it down to around 90 minutes. If the client wanted a different sound bite from the Best Man (the joke about the horses in the middle of his speech, not the joke about the cars towards the end of his speech) or the inclusion of dad mentioning Aunt Jayne (which didn’t stand out to me as significant, but apparently the bride is super close to Aunt Jayne) then having an transcription would allow me to easily search for those specific moments and jump right to them.

Other events can be the same way. For example, I’ve cut hype/sizzle reels for press conferences before and I always have to watch the whole thing (typically 60-90min) in order to find a handful of juicy soundbites. If I had a transcript of the speaker(s) at the event I could skim that much faster than I could go though the footage (even at 1.5x or 2x playback). Recently at work we were tasked with pulling some sound bites of an on-air talent to be used during an awards ceremony. Faced with the daunting task of going through hours of footage looking for great one-liners from said talent, someone had the idea of searching YouTube (this particular talent has a big YouTube following). We found fan-made vids highlighting our talent so we just had to look for air-date clues so we could find the original footage on our server. It was a creative time saver, but certainly not a very widely application solution.

[Andrew Kimery]

[Bill Davis] “In their niche, VERY powerful. However, their niche isn’t particularly large, IMO.”

I guess I just don’t see it as being a niche-type solution. I’ve done everything from scripted to reality TV to weddings to corporate to documentaries to live event coverage and I can see transcript-linked-video being potentially useful in just about any scenario that involves someone speaking on camera.

[Bill Davis] “So transcriptions will become just another software provided expectation. “

I think this is more the crux of the issue. Today there are technological and monetary hurdles that make transcripts (especially at the level of functionality Builder offers) an additional cost so each person in each scenario has to decide if that additional cost is worth it to them. Now imagine a day when those technological and monetary hurdles are removed from the equation and every NLE generates transcripts, links them to media, and allows for the kind of text-based editing and marking up that Builder provides as a matter of course. I think people will quickly latch onto it and come up with ways to utilize transcripts and text-based editing and markup that they never even thought was possible before.

[Andrew Kimery]

[Bill Davis] “Uh, you’re late to this idea.

Phil and Greg at Intelligent Assistance with —Builder — does pretty much EXACTLY this inside FCP X right now. “

I’ve had the idea for years but I’m not a software developer so that and a couple of bucks will get me a cup of coffee…

Thank you though for beautifully illustrating my point about how powerful and useful transcripts can be.

[Andrew Kimery]

[Bob Zelin] “I feel that it is important that the Lindeboom’s understand that they own a world class, high class “restaurant” or “book store”. What they DON’T know is that in the basement, there is an illegal fight club that runs every night, and it’s under the premise of this forum.
“

Unfortunately the screams and bone-crunching hits from the basement can be clearly heard upstairs so now it’s time to covert the basement into a proper fight gym or get evicted.

[Andrew Kimery]

[Kathlyn Lindeboom] “How about “ALL NLEs: The Great Debate””

Perfect!

[Andrew Kimery]

[Bill Davis] “The joy of this forum for me has always been that like any good debate, there was a opening proposal.

That was originally summed up in the forum name, itself.

FCP X or Not.

That can be debated.

Apple Talk – simply cannot. One is a debate. The other is just another among a hundred million water cooler sites on the web.”

Tuesday, August 28th 2018…. I whole heartedly agree with Bill. 😉

[Andrew Kimery]

[Ronny Courtens] “I agree, Steve. The Techniques forum is far more interesting and alive than this one and should indeed be the only forum for anything related to FCP X. The Debates forum has lost its roots and its credibility and should get a new destination.

Seeing what this forum has turned into, I sincerely question the usefulness of any forum where people debate over NLEs. IMO it’s as useless as debating over cars, and it leads too easily to frustration and name-calling. The fact that many brilliant contributors have stopped coming here seems to prove this point.”

The problem that this forum solves though is that it is inherently heterogeneous where as other forums are almost always inherently homogeneous. You talk about X in the X forum. MC in the MC forum. Resolve in the Resolve forum. If you try and talk about Product X in Product Y’s forum you will get shouted down and told to go post in the ‘right’ forum.

I think having a place where people are encouraged to talk about all NLEs (including in a ‘head-to-‘head’ fashion) is still very useful and worthwhile. The tone of this forum is what needs changing, not the subject matter, IMO.

[Andrew Kimery]

[Ronald Lindeboom] “I appreciate your attitude and hope that some of the others will catch up quick as I tend to make decisions quickly and change them, if at all, very slowly.”

At various times throughout the history of this place we’ve tried to self-police and dial things back but it never lasted for any appreciable amount of time. Once the ‘reboot’ happens and you’ve made it clear that there are new ground rules at play I don’t think people will have a problem adhering to them. Sure, at the beginning mods will probably have to step in and edit some posts (and maybe issue some timeouts) as the old guard gets acclimated, but I think the adjustment period will be over quickly and it will be smooth sailing from then on out.

[Andrew Kimery]

Whether here or on FB we somehow have a knack for talking past each other Ron and I think we both find it maddening. At one point I think you gave me your number and I might just start calling you and be like, “Hey Ron, so I saw your post on the COW…” instead of typing out a reply. ????

I’m not opposed to a name change, and I certainly think the toxicity problem is something that needs to be gotten under control.

With regards to my previous comments, I did not mean for them to come off as argumentative. In your OP I didn’t get the gist about the negativity that you clarified in later posts. I certainly have a better appreciation now for what your goals are than I did when I first responded. In previous attempts to clarify my POV I think I veered into the land of Over-Explaining which just muddied the waters.

So, in short, I agree that an appropriate name change and a more aggressive moderation approach will both rinse the slate clean for this forum and prevent it from tarnishing the COW’s brand again down the line (yes, I realized I mixed two cleaning metaphors but I’m in a bit of a rush).