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  • This forum’s name will change to “Apple Talk” in the new system

  • Ron Lindeboom

    August 24, 2018 at 4:56 am

    I wanted to inform the members of this forum that when we come up in the new system slated to premiere in October, this forum’s name will change to Apple Talk because the current title has not worn well with the years and new people coming to the site regularly miss the point and misunderstand the focus of this forum. We regularly get letters from people who think this is a Final Cut Pro X forum, which it really isn’t.

    If you have a better name, we are all ears. Apple Talk has a certain humor to it based on the history of Apple over the years and longtime Apple users should appreciate the tongue-in-cheek quality in it, as well. But if you can think of something better, let us know.

    Tim Wilson and I have had a number of discussions about the way this forum has changed over the years and what its purpose and focus is today and we think that the title Apple Talk comes closer to fitting this forum today than does the old name of Apple Final Cut Pro X Debates.

    So please keep in mind that the name will change when we roll out the new forums system in the new site architecture.

    Best regards,

    Ronald Lindeboom
    CEO, Creative COW LLC

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  • David Mathis

    August 24, 2018 at 5:28 am


    I am grateful to you and Tim Wilson for your support and words of encouragement over the years. As far as a new name goes perhaps NLE: The Great Debate would be another suggestion. Whatever the new name is I will respect your decision. I am looking forward to the new website in October. Things have changed over the years here but have always been of the positive variety. Thank you for the update and for keeping everyone informed. Looking forward to the new and exciting changes!


    David Mathis
    COW Member

  • Steve Connor

    August 24, 2018 at 8:19 am

    Hi Ron, really looking forward to seeing the new Barn in October, IMHO “Apple Talk” is perfect ☺

  • Oliver Peters

    August 24, 2018 at 12:39 pm

    I guess “In search of Bruce” didn’t make the cut ☺

    – Oliver

    PS: Looking forward to it! Thanks.

    Oliver Peters –

  • Herb Sevush

    August 24, 2018 at 12:52 pm

    While I understand the logic behind changing this forum’s name and I can also appreciate your desire to host an Apple Talk forum, in this case I think killing two birds with one stone will leave you with a lot of dead birds.

    This forum is all about NLE design and workflows. It is not generally populated by IT guys and system integrators, Bob Zellin as always the exception, nor is it the exclusive home for Apple enthusiasts, as Bill Davis will testify to.

    Any name that doesn’t include “NLE” or “editing” or “post workflow” in the tittle means that your are making sure that no new people who might be interested in what this forum is about will ever find us.

    Maybe you have determined that there are no such new people to find, I don’t know, and it’s your pasture to name as you wish.

    If you really just want to avoid complaints from X users, then a simple change to “NLE Design” with or without “: the debate” would seem to do just fine.

    In either case I will keep coming because I guess I just need the eggs.

    Herb Sevush
    Zebra Productions
    nothin\’ attached to nothin\’
    \”Deciding the spine is the process of editing\” F. Bieberkopf

  • Ron Lindeboom

    August 24, 2018 at 2:08 pm

    So, “Curmudgeonly Musings” won’t cut it, eh? ????

    Best regards,

    Ronald Lindeboom
    CEO, Creative COW LLC

    Creativity is a process wherein the student and the teacher are located in the same individual.

  • Herb Sevush

    August 24, 2018 at 2:13 pm

    [Ronald Lindeboom] “So, “Curmudgeonly Musings” won’t cut it, eh?”

    No, but “Curmudgeonly Musings about NLEs” would, and I would see it as an honor.

    Herb Sevush
    Zebra Productions
    nothin\’ attached to nothin\’
    \”Deciding the spine is the process of editing\” F. Bieberkopf

  • Craig Seeman

    August 24, 2018 at 2:36 pm

    NLE: The Great Debate hits the mark IMHO.
    The forum isn’t really specific to Apple given that Resolve or Avid and other post software comes up. Computers used for post, including PCs their CPU and GPUs are also the subject of discussion.
    I think it should be clear this is a debate forum or, at least, a post industry discussion forum.
    I fear “Apple Talk” may well steer this forum into another direction.

    If you want something a bit more fruity then:
    Post: Debate, Apples vs Oranges.

  • Andrew Kimery

    August 24, 2018 at 3:42 pm

    If you don’t mind me asking, Ron what caused you and Tim to decide to change the focus of the forum?

    Sturm und drang aside, this corner of the Internet was created to give people a place to debate the philosophical underpinnings of various NLEs, and how those jive/don’t jive with an editing/post environment that’s in flux more than ever. By contrast, “Apple Talk” sounds like a pretty pedestrian haunt where Apple fans and users can sit around in a comfortable echo chamber, revel in homogeneous camaraderie as they pat each other on the back for their magnificent purchasing decisions, and occasionally shake their heads in disbelief at all the people out there that just don’t ‘get it’.

    To the best of my knowledge there is no other forum like this one on the Internet because most places are setup to be vender/product specific as opposed to being topic specific (especially contentiously topic specific) . If I just want to talk about Avid or Resolve or Adobe or Apple there a ton of websites, forums, FB groups, etc., that already cater to each one of those specific audiences. If I want to talk about Avid or Resolve or Adobe or Apple all together though… the only place I know of is the Apple Final Cut Pro X Debates forum here at the COW.

  • David Mathis

    August 24, 2018 at 6:45 pm

    As far as I know this is the only forum of its kind anywhere. The groups I am in as a member, moderator or admin on Facebook are just as you described. Like this forum there is the occasional noise which I try to clean up. However, the noise level in here is to expected and is somewhat “normal” including any food fights. ???? All in all I think the name [u]Apple Talk[/u] would be detrimental to this forum or at least result in confusion for reasons stated earlier. I thought about suggesting (as a joke) [u]Bill Davis Is Right You Are Holding It Wrong.[/u] However, that would attract ants to the picnic. ????

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