This forum’s name will change to “Apple Talk” in the new system

[Andrew Kimery]

[Ronald Lindeboom] “Who said we were changing the focus of the forum? I do not remember saying any such thing. Perhaps a reread of what I actually said is in order?”

Changing the name to “Apple Talk” will change the direction of the forum (especially as new people join the discussion). Bill, among a few others, have been saying for years that this is an Apple-centric forum (it’s not IMO ) so discussions of Avid, Adobe, Resolve, etc., shouldn’t be allowed. “Apple Talk” heavily implies that that’s true and so only discussions about Apple goods belong here. “Apple Talk” also has no connection to NLEs or post/production.

If the intent is to keep the focus of the forum the same then I think “Apple Talk” is a bad name. If the intent is to change the focus of the forum to a more general discussion of all things Apple then I think “Apple Talk” is a good name.

If the new name is being misconstrued by almost everyone then maybe problem is with the name, not with everyone else? Or are we just holding it wrong? ????

-Andrew

[Bob Zelin]

Hi –
Andrew is being so politically correct and polite.
The original point of this forum was to open a “boxing ring” for people that hated FCP X and wanted to express their opinions about this. Of course, FCP X has matured into a fantastic powerful editing software product. But what this forum brings – particularly because of the wording – “The Debate” is a “boxing ring” that we can be aggressive about subjects in the professional video market –

for example (and this goes outside the scope of professional video products ) –
Liberals vs. Conservatives
Mac’s vs. PC’s
Progressive Rock vs. Country & Western (I thought you would like that one, Ron !)
AVID vs. FCP (and everything else). –
and ANY excuse to have a controversial exchange about any subject that involves professional video.
So I think that “The Debate” is the most important aspect of the title of the forum – no matter what you decide.
This is the forum that you can “yell” at someone, after a hard day at work (dealing with your frustrations of Adobe Premiere, Davinci Resolve, and FCP X problems during your session). You can complain, while someone else tells you that you are crazy, and that that the software that you suffered with all day is the greatest thing since sliced bread !

Bob Zelin

Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
bobzelin@icloud.com

[Michael Gissing]

I feel the new name misses the mark because this is not a forum where we talk about Apple. We debate often with passion about all NLEs on all platforms. So there is not much talk about Apple per se going on but a lot of shouting about the pros and cons of all NLEs on all platforms.

Even taking the original ‘or not’ out of the name changed the flavor so I agree that this name will shift the focus of this forum to something other than what it is and has been. If that is not the intention then “NLE Debates” is probably a better descriptor. Honestly Apple Talk sounds like a help desk for iOS trouble shooting.

[David Mathis]

In all honesty this is my go to forum. Despite some of the crazy things that happen in here I do find this forum useful. I am being serious. With that said I do frequent the real FCPX forum and Resolve as well. Just try to look past the noise because there is some very useful content here. Facebook groups have their place but this forum is much more useful for a wider discussion of hardware, software and all things related. My two cents.

[Jeremy Garchow]

Apple Talk is a great name for a forum.

But, I am not sure if it is the right name for this forum. NLE Debates would be more appropriate, I think. It takes the focus off of Apple for new COW users, and leaves FCPX Techniques for tech answers, questions, and help.

I know that Tim Wilson liked this forum in the early days because it was “full contact”, meaning people can come here, and respectfully disagree, share insights, and most importantly learn about other ways of completing the same tasks with different hardware and software.

I think Apple Talk would shift that spirit, even if it is a great name. Unfortunately, I am old enough to understand the double entendre! ☺

Maybe we should change it to the Apple Extensions Manager? ???? I’m kidding, of course.

[Steve Connor]

[Jeremy Garchow] “and leaves FCPX Techniques for tech answers, questions, and help.”

Of course it’s not the “Techniques” forum now it’s just the FCPX forum. Perhaps if the FCPX is taken out of this forum’s name then there will be more discussion from FCPX users on that forum as well. It would be nice to have a “safe” space to talk about FCPX without being told how great and cheap PC’s are or how bad Apple is 🙂

[John Rofrano]

[Ronald Lindeboom] “Who said we were changing the focus of the forum? I do not remember saying any such thing. Perhaps a reread of what I actually said is in order?”

I believe what you said was:

[Ronald Lindeboom] “Tim Wilson and I have had a number of discussions about the way this forum has changed over the years and what its purpose and focus is today”

Which does not imply that YOU are changing the focus of the forum but that THE FORUM has changed focus over the years (…and it has).

Judging from the replies to your post, I would say that the forum “regulars” do not agree that what we do here is “Talk” about “Apple” but rather “Debate” about “NLEs.

I have to agree with them. We are still debating, the topics are not only about FCP X, nor are they only about Apple (there are discussions about running Resolve on a PC) so changing the title to Apple Talk bears little resemblance to the current contents of forum and I also agree with others that Apple Talk sounds like a place to talk about iOS, iPhones, and iPads (oh my!) since Apple dropped the name “Computer” from their name but this forums is only concerned with computers and NLE software (…a now tiny subset of the mighty Apple empire).

So Ron (or Tim) let me ask… What do you think the purpose of this forum has changed to? Is it just to “Talk” about “Apple” as the new name would imply?

BTW, I vote for NLE Debates which I believe is more in line with what we do here.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasstsoftware.com

[Oliver Peters]

[John Rofrano] “Apple Talk sounds like a place to talk about iOS, iPhones, and iPads….
BTW, I vote for NLE Debates which I believe is more in line with what we do here.”

I would agree. I initially thought it sounded fine, but I think everyone has made good points. Maybe there should actually be two forums: AppleTalk and NLE Debates, each with a different focus, precisely as John described above.

– Oliver

Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com

[Ron Lindeboom]

[Andrew Kimery] “”Apple Talk” will change the direction of the forum (especially as new people join the discussion). Bill, among a few others, have been saying for years that this is an Apple-centric forum (it’s not IMO ) so discussions of Avid, Adobe, Resolve, etc., shouldn’t be allowed. “Apple Talk” heavily implies that that’s true and so only discussions about Apple goods belong here. “Apple Talk” also has no connection to NLEs or post/production.”

So, you are saying that a forum born about Apple’s changes and that has historically but not exclusively debated things from that viewpoint is now not a largely though not exclusively Apple forum?

THAT is the problem as we see it. People log into this forum and think it actually DOES have something to do with Apple Final Cut Pro X and because of that mislabelling and misunderstanding, it generates a LOT of ill-will and as I said it gets the second-most amount of email of the negative kind.

I personally do not care what this forum is called, you guys decide. I just threw out Apple Talk because it just seemed to work for me but if it doesn’t work for you guys, you give it some thought and come up with something you can live with but in any case, it will be changing with the new system. What that change is to be, I leave to those here, but if nothing is forthcoming, it likely will bear the name Apple Talk — even if people occasionally talk about other things.

Best regards,

Ronald Lindeboom
CEO, Creative COW LLC

Creativity is a process wherein the student and the teacher are located in the same individual.

[Ron Lindeboom]

[Oliver Peters] “Maybe there should actually be two forums: AppleTalk and NLE Debates, each with a different focus, precisely as John described above.”

There will just be ONE forum. As I said, I do not care what the name is. I hope you guys come up with one that you can live with and that you feel highlights what happens here.

I would offer one suggestion: we would like it to remain positionally where it has stood in the past — in the As, Apple in particular. Why? Because in the Ns it will draw far less attention.

So, how about something like “Apple vs PC NLE Debates“? That way it will remain in the As and will draw more attention.

Best regards,

Ronald Lindeboom
CEO, Creative COW LLC

Creativity is a process wherein the student and the teacher are located in the same individual.