Alex Hawkins
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[Bill Davis] “There are plenty of editors here who represent your view. And just a couple who represent my view. So why are you so concerned at a voice like mine being represented?”
Do you really think you’re that outnumbered? I’d place it at almost a 50/50 split.
[Bill Davis] “I get that editing as an industry is under a lot of stress and there are big changes afoot. But don’t that argue for listening MORE closely to alternatives, even if they are currently inadequate to the way you work today?”
Cool. Just play the ball and not the man.
[Bill Davis] “Uh, then perhaps you aren’t reading the same threads I am. The term “fanboy” has been applied to FCP-proponents here in about the same percentage that the term “metalhead’ has been applied to fans of the band Judas Priest”
Mmmm just as long as I am not referred to one because I listen to Jethro Tull.
[Bill Davis] “I’m sorry you see this as patronizing. It’s honestly not my intention to be so. It IS my intention to articulate my difference of opinion on why X has been designed the way it is. And why that re-design can work really, really well for editors with practices like mine”
[Bill Davis] “Okay. Point taken. I”ve probably been too vociferous lately.
I clearly don’t have the writing chops to articulate my points without causing reactive pain in those who hold similar views to yours.
Sorry about that. My failure. I don’t know how to suppress my ire about what some here write that seems dismissive of X as a tool and an entire approach to editing without resorting to the same (or worse” dismissiveness in response.
Mea Culpa.
But I honestly don’t naturally try to “trash” others. If you go back and look at where I get bristly – I suspect you’ll nearly always find it to be in response to someone who’s written something I feel is wildly off base about either the software’s operation, design, philosophy or capabilities”
Fair do’s to you. No probs at all.
Alex Hawkins
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Bill can you please stop insulting and patronising those of us who are happy with editing conventions that have been around for at least the past 30 years.
[Bill Davis] “Apple tossed out a lot of very tired thinking that benefited only those with workflows designed around workflows less and less relevant to modern editing”
[Bill Davis] “I know there are still people who MUST work like they’ve always worked. And bless them there are plenty of great approaches for those how want to do that. Premier and AVID to name two.”
[Bill Davis] “That you’re stuck a year later seeing only what the death of Legacy took away – and not understanding anything much about what Apples decision might represent for all editors in the rapidly approaching future – is a sign that you may be stuck in a rut of your own design.”
These sort of statements, besides not being uncommon in your plethora of punitive pejorative posts, make it sound like we who are content to bypass Final Cut X have had some sort of frontal lobotomy and need to be pitied because we just cannot see the future of editing.
You can break out any analogy you like, but a lot, a lot, of really smart people think that X just doesn’t cut it as a professional editing tool. Now these people are not “naysayers” or whiny neophytes or stuck-in-the-mud-luddites, they are highly skilled, perceptive, forward thinking people who edit for a living.
You love it, that’s great. But I don’t keep reading posts from other people intimating that you, and whoever else is using X, are: Apple fanboys; don’t really know what editing’s all about; aren’t really professionals and just love new toys.
However I do keep reading posts from you suggesting, or at least intimating, what I’ve said above.
[Bill Davis] “”Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor”
Indeed!
Alex Hawkins
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “then I grab Symphony before 15th june for 800 quid and that’s it – home and dry in time for supper.”
Aindreas, you have such an eloquent and entertaining turn of phrase. I love it.
Thanks for the spice.
Alex Hawkins
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[Jules bowman] “Is the answer to your question not in the name of the forum?”
Excellent. Keep em coming Jules.
Alex Hawkins
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[David Lawrence] “No, in/outs were the first thing I learned about editing. I’m talking about a different way of seeing editorially. It’s the difference between seeing/feeling the cut while selecting vs defining and assembling content chunks then fine tuning after. In my experience, there’s a different mindset at work”
Exactly. Editing is about the cut, not the range.
I know when I’m editing alot of the time I just want to select an in point on various clips (takes) of a scene and see if that works with what I’ve got on the timeline so far. I’m not concerned about the out point at this stage. I’ll worry about that later. But first, does this CUT work?
So I’ve got 20 clips in a bin, 4 angles, 5 takes each of a scene. I just want to scrub, mark in, next clip, scrub, mark in, next clip and so on and then come back and slap each clip down see if it works, moving through like that. Out points I worry about on the timeline.
Maybe that sounds messy but I can do it pretty quickly and it works for me.
Simple as that.
FWIW.
YMMV.My 2 cents.
Alex Hawkins
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[Jules bowman] “I’ve moved on. I moved on about 30 minutes after engaging with the ugly bugger when auto save did nothing of the sort and lost everything I had done.”
Me too. After one project where every time I clicked off a clip it didn’t retain my in or out points.
I have, however not moved on from this forum, which, much to my delight, gets more interesting and intriguing every day.
Alex Hawkins
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[Bill Davis] Same old argument again and again and again.
“I was happy the way things were and I don’t like change.”
Verses
“I’m willing to alter my expectations in order to approach traditional processes in new ways.”
Both defensible positions. Neither “wrong.”
But those in the first group are still grappling ( if not downright struggling) with the FCP changes – while the second group has long since stopped fighting the war that’s over (7 is EOL + a year now) and moved on to elevating mastery of the new process.
The only given is that X will never satisfy them – because the real hurt was never the product itself -it was the way they came to believe Apple had betrayed them emotionally by taking away their defining tool.
I guess,”victim” can sometimes be seen as a very alluring role – but I’m personally not very attracted to it.
The world changes.
As Kurt Vonnegut famously summed it up so long ago…
“… and so it goes.”
Gee Bill that’s a really helpul post. Adds alot to the overall discussion.
[Bill Davis] “”Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor”
Alex Hawkins
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As opposed to user experience?
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[Jules bowman] “Is that price including the current owner discount we’ve all been taking into consideration?”
No. $38 a month for the first year. $63 a month from then on.
Alex Hawkins
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[Jules bowman] “FFS. Fine. It is an assumption that FC11 will be charged for. but hey, i’ve learnt from the best because you assume left right and centre mate, not least of all that FC10 will be great at some undetermined point in the future because you know, Apple rock dude.
Still, it’s an assumption that hold far more weight than Apple never charging for any future versions of FC. You’re the Apple watcher mate, they do that often do they? Stick out software and just upgrade it for free ad infinitum?
You’d pick a hole in a dying nun’s faith you would.
Whatever, my point is still valid that I believe Adobes current subscription service with all that it offers for the relatively small outlay in terms of a professional business makes Apple’s offer pale into insignificance. And again, it was in reply to Bill’s doom-mongering.”
Jules that was very funny. I was in tears. Thank you.
BTW it’s $63 a month downunder…ex 10% GST (inc if you pre order)
The current exchange rate: $1 Australian = $1.03 US.
Go figure?
Alex Hawkins
Canberra, Australia