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Don’t believe a word that Apple tells you, I’ve found the same thing, remember they used to talk about the “MegaHertz Myth” I can tell you that at that time they were way behind PC’s for after effects rendering. Notice how great the intel chips are now that they’re using them?

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Thanks again for the replies, just to get the damn thing out the door I changed the sequence to 8bit and playing around with the render settings got (both the high precision RGB and 8bit settings worked).

I am disgusted though, we’ve been rendering to 10bit for years, cutting down on render time on the final cut stations and everything has been fine. It was a struggle to get the animators to render to the Blackmagic codec and now I’ll have to tell them all to go back to the animation codec, resulting in long renders on the edit machines.

Anyone from Blackmagic got any comments on this? We have about 12 of your cards in house and are really unhappy with the current situation, I was supposed to be at home today and had to come in to “fix” this layoff, I’ll be happy to get this one out the door but I am not happy that I will have to re-render every 10bit render to 8bit to avoid luma shifts.

Glenn Stewart
1K Studios

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Thanks for the reply and link, however it doesn’t solve our problem, we know all about the “High Precision” workaround and it was the first thing we tried. I’m not sure you say that 99% of the time we don’t need the 10bit codec, do you mean the BM 10 bit or 10bit vs 8 bit? We get source and output to dBeta, often creating elements in 3d (PC) and compositing in after effects.

At present, using the Tiger machines we are unable to lay off renders that work fine on a Panther machine, they were all rendered to the Blackmagic 10bit from after effects but now the tiger machine sees them as Uncompressed 10bit and messes up the luma. This is a serious problem and I can’t believe that no-one else is affected by it. The Apple Uncompressed 10bit is not as good as the Blackmagic codec and there is a definite luma change between them. Please try rendering from After Effects(Mac) to the BM 10bit and Apple 10bit codecs and see that they are not the same, and not just in Quicktime playback either, the two codecs will not match.

Please give us back the option to use the Blackmagic codecs on Tiger if desired, I know Apple is the one putting on the pressure to switch but we’re the ones that have to deliver consistent material. We do DVD menu animations so have no latitude in chroma or luma shifts at all but any final cut users who adds motion graphics or effects from After Effects are affected by this. Even if it was just the quicktime playback that was affected by the apple codec adjusting the gamma for screen playback it would be reason enough to want to use the BM codec but that output to tape and broadcast monitor are both messed up leaves no doubt about it as far as I’m concerned.

We have had Decklink cards in house since they came out, we were able to move from the Voodoo cards with no problems but now due to software “upgrades” we’re getting completely screwed.

Please tell me I’m not the only one who feels like this, anyone I’ve explained the problem to has been shocked that we’re being asked to stop using a great codec in favor of a seriously flawed one.

Please help us out here!!

Glenn Stewart
1k Studios

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Adobe must fix this soon, I’m expecting a new version of after effects by the end of the month when the new Digital Video Collection is due to ship and I was hoping there would be a premiere update to go with it too.
Glenn Stewart
1K Studios

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Found it, thanks a million!!
I was afraid that I was missing it somewhere, odd that it doesn’t work exactly like the mac version but i’m sure there’s some reason for it.
Glenn Stewart
1k Studios

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The edit menu doesn’t even have “Add output module” for it to be greyed out, thanks for the reply, this is really annoying me.
Glenn Stewart
1k Studios

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Great Post!! Thanks a million!!
Glenn Stewart
1k Studios

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I agree about the standards conversion, growing up in Pal country US shows always looked completely oversaturated, watching them now in the US they look much more natural, I agree there is a difference between the two but how it is broadcast does make a big difference.
Glenn Stewart
1K studios

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Seeing as the preview works with the Avid software we know the deck and monitor are hooked up right, I bet any money it’s the Avid DV codec, I remember a friend with XpressDV complaining that he had to keep switching the codec, think there’s a utility for it though that makes it easier.
Glenn Stewart
1k Studios

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Sometimes I have luck by removing all my third party plugins, I doubt it will work for this one but it’s worth a shot. Like Steve I highly recommend the incremental saves (especially since it now has a shortcut) and also setting the output module settings to embed project link and copy so all renders have a copy of the project in them (the default is project link only which is no use if the project is corrupted).
Have you tried opening it on another machine? If you don’t have one handy email me a copy of it and I’ll give it a shot here (remove al the ! and * from address below)

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Glenn Stewart
1k Studios