The invisible layer is almost useless !

[Carlitos]

NOW, after this little experiment, I can positively say I was wrong:

The “Invisible Layer” is NOT 98.7% worthless.

It’s 100% worthless, at least as a new feature.

If you wanna upgrade to PPro 2.0, fine.

But don’t get fooled, don’t let this “Brochure-filler feature” affect your decision, it’s just an old, ordinary, stupid Alpha layer.

A titler layer without “titles”.

Nothing special, nothing to be taken seriously.

CASE CLOSED.

NEXT!!

P.S. Shame on You, Adobe!!!

[Craig Howard]

Goodbye Carl (We all hope your medication will make you better soon)

[Carlitos]

Goodbye Carl (We all hope your medication will make you better soon)

-. Nice going!!

Because you have nothing valuable to say, offenses are good.

It’s because comformist people like you that things doesn’t improve.

[Craig Howard]

Carl – I (and others) made it very clear by my own example that an invisible layer could or would be of use to me. You persist in a manic ilogical rant decrying the feature as if it was the only feature in the new release. Why would you even try and put a percentage of uselessness on it.

It obviously is such a show stopper for you, you do not have to use it.

I am starting to believe this is a send up – its too weird to be a genuine user post.

[Mark Palmos]

Well spoken Craig!

I have used PP2 a lot, do not use the invisible layer effect (or have not had a need to use it yet) and think there is plenty in PP2 to get excited about. To say “shame on adobe” because you (carl) misunderstand what the feature actually is, and because you are disappointed that this one feature is not what you want, is both illogical and childish.

So please stop your petulant rant Carl, it is irritating to the grown-ups.

Mark.

[Craig Howard]

Move on folks ..there nothing here to see…

😉

[Tim Kolb]

Ah, guys…take it easy on Carl.

It isn’t the most earth-shattering feature in the app for sure. I used to use an empty title doc myself for most functions like this, as someone else mentioned too…

I just don’t think it’s such a big deal that it’s worth raising your blood pressure over…

TimK,

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[Wil Renczes]

[Carl] “.- Imagine being able to apply an effect over a large number of clips (ie color correction) in just one step. Imagine to crop several clips at the same time. That’s what you can do with the Avid’s implementation of invisible layer (and you CAN’T with Adobe’s one). You can even put several effects on their “invisible layer” (It’s called FILLER)”

I think you’re just using the wrong tool for the job.

There’s a different way to do this in Premiere: what you do is create a separate sequence (call it Master, if you like) – drop your existing sequence into it as a clip, then apply your color correction (or any combination of filters) to the embedded sequence. Very powerful workflow. What I like about this over the invisible layer method you describe is that I can copy / paste the filters to any combination of sequences – if I would want to port your master color correction, with the invisible layer method, I would need to copy & physically move that invisible clip around between timelines, and the track layering may not match up, etc. Feels more kludgy…

[Carlitos]

There’s a different way to do this in Premiere:

.- Sadly, There is no way to do THAT efficiently in Premiere. You have to copy & paste effects clip by clip.

what you do is create a separate sequence (call it Master, if you like) – drop your existing sequence into it as a clip, then apply your color correction (or any combination of filters) to the embedded sequence.”

.- Thanks for your sincere desire to help but this is not the answer and is not what I expected.

Have You ever wanted to put the same color correction, or the same effect over an entire sequence?

Not a lot, I’m sure.

What if You don’t want (I usually never want to) to put the desired effect(s) all over the ENTIRE sequence, just 20 clips or several groups of clips.? What if you only want to equally blurr 25 clips and equally color correct five groups of 17, 25, 32,20 and 8 clips using the same color correction?

In Avid, You only have to cut a portion of “Filler” to the desired length, put whatever (Any) effect(s) You want and ALL the clips (Whatever number of any length and ALL THE LAYERS) beneath the “Filler” will be affected. You can put as many effects and “fillers” (with differents effects) as you want in the same sequence. You can even cut the Filler with the effects already on it.

Instead of copy an effect and paste it one by one over several clips, you cut a layer, add your effect ONCE and put this very layer over all the clips you want.

Voila! You can, for example, “rezise” 20 clips at the same time with only one adjustment.

You can put two different color corrections in the very same sequence by editing two different “Fillers”.

In Avid’s case you don’t even need to generate the layer, is already all over your Timeline, The “Filler” is the adjacent material.

Man, I only “wishfully” expected this “Invisible layer” to be like the Avid’s implementation or at least like the “Adjusment layer” in After effects, but it is not.

Not even close.

Just an ordinary and simple alpha layer.

Thanks for your concern, but no.

[Steve Freebairn]

Have you ever thought about pulling your sequence into another sequence and then adding your effects in there? or cropping everything in there? I was hoping that it was like an adjustment layer in after effects, but it sounds like it isn’t, but still, you can still do (and have been able to for years now) apply effects to a whole timeline by the afore mentioned method.