Tony West
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[Neil Goodman] ” today is very different than when I went to film school even in 2004″
2004? Wow, that’s interesting. I was in school in the mid 80’s and television was very much a big deal then. To me, I considered working on the World Series or the Olympics as much as “The Top” as film (and I love film).
Prime example is the Oscars. They are having to jump through hoops to get people to watch it on “TV”. That’s the best film has to offer and the ratings are not what they would like. I love it myself, but it is what it is.
Having said that, I agree with your main point. To me, Avid is the stick shift of NLEs. Once you can drive that, you can get the hang of the rest of them.
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[greg janza] “That’s how it used to be. With the incredible advances in speech recognition software, transcripts literally only take minutes to create and that’s why they are even more powerful today.”
Which software are you using Greg to do it? I have not had good experiences with speech software. Too many mistakes. I recently used Rev for German subtitles for my film because they use people to transcribe and so far I have been happy with the results, but they only accept certain formats to upload so unless your source material was shot on that, you would need to transcode first then upload. That’s the time I was talking about.
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[Andrew Kimery] ” Today there are technological and monetary hurdles that make transcripts (especially at the level of functionality Builder offers) an additional cost so each person in each scenario has to decide if that additional cost is worth it to them. “
It’s also the time involved. You have to get that footage to the people who will transcribe it and that means transcode the footage and then upload time, and for a doc with hours and hours of footage you are waiting for a while. If you have the time to wait………
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The upside is, while you can’t really do what you are wanting to do, you can in X share a section of the timeline to the EVS while working in that same timeline. Which ever NLE you choose there is likely an export involved. The workflow for me would be as I cut one package, share that, and slide down the timeline and start working on the next package. Which, is probably already how you are working. The export is pretty fast like you said so………..not really losing that much time.
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Thanks Jeremy, yes it was pretty awesome. The paperwork said it was supplied by Bexel so I’m guessing they put most of it together. I think it was on the same RF setup as the rest of us.
One person drove it and the other operated the camera. She had a pretty nice console to zoom and focus and a SmallHD monitor to view.
At one point it rolled over a bag of balls on the driving range by accident and just kept going. I figured if that didn’t hang it up, not much else was going to.
It’s perfect for golf. It did a 180 around a few golfers and it really looked good. Very smooth.
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Given his age, a teacher likely told him that “Art doesn’t Pay” almost 30 years ago and well, back then more teachers likely felt that way than most do now.
So it’s really a question from the past more than the present.I went to college in the early 80’s to study Television Production. I took an art class because I thought it would be fun (it was)
Something special happened to me in that art class that had an impact on me more than anything I can remember in my communication classes.
One day as we approached the Art building for class, we saw a brand new Porsche parked outside the building. Right up front so you couldn’t miss it. We thought to ourselves, who in the heck is driving THAT car, and why is it at this building?
As we entered the classroom we could see that a stranger stood beside our instructor. We figured it must be his car, but who was he?
Well, turns out he was an artist. His artwork had been displayed in countless magazines and he told us about how people told him not to go into art because, you guessed it……he wouldn’t make any money. He was there to get those negatives thoughts right out of our heads.
He listed off many famous artist that had been paid a pretty penny. Like a guy named Walt Disney.
That artist showed us that people don’t always know what they are talking about when they try to give you advice.
Go for your dreams and don’t let anybody tell you that you can’t do it.
It was a brilliant move by our instructor to bring him in. He knew it would have an impact on us. 30 years later I still remember that day and tell that story, just in case some young artist had doubts.
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[Bob Zelin] “One day Apple will “teach” every human being how to edit. EVERYONE will edit. And just like there is a small market for professional writers (and there will continue to be a small market for professional editors) – the VAST MAJORITY of what we do for a living will disappear. “
I enjoy reading your post Bob. You’re an insightful veteran of this biz.
While agree that there have been changes for sometime now with the technology and most of the post houses in my town have long shuttered, the technology giveth and taketh away. On the giving part, the 100th PGA begins in my town next week. I worked it back in 1992 for CBS when that was the only feed coming out of here for the tournament. This time there will be Directtv, and CBSSN also and pretty much everybody that wants to work will be out there and then some. The Show Book is 83 pages this year. My point is, it’s gotten so much bigger and it was the biggest thing I had ever worked on back then. High end production on HBO, Prime, Netflix. I can’t even count them all let alone watch them all. I know you are tongue in cheek a bit, but everyone won’t edit because everyone doesn’t care to. Folks can buy a cheap camera but it still takes money to get in the game. Need sound, lighting and all the latest toys that people expect to see you use. That’s why I don’t come in with a phone or even a DSLR. You are gonna have to spend some money to catch me. I liken it to an arms race. Companies look at all the gear and say to themselves, “do we want to buy all THAT for the few videos we do a year?
All software companies dumb it down for folks. They all do it. Apple just does it better imho.
I don’t like their business practices one bit and I trash them on that the same as I do any other selfish knucklehead that doesn’t do their part to put back into this country that helped make them what they are.
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You could also type “Retime” into the notes in the inspector and that would come up in clips in the index also, but you would still need to go through and make those notes. I can’t see it taking that long to do that.
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[Tangier Clarke] “I remember when all I need to know was editing and maybe some nice transitions and modest graphics mostly done in Photoshop. “
It’s a good point but when I think about my old school online days before AVID………….Aaggghhh . After you learned the timecode editor you had to learn that Grassvalley switcher so you could do your transitions through it. Then you had to learn the DVE so you could do your rotating and spinning effects. Then you had to learn the sound board and how to trigger you fades remotely from the editor. Then you had to learn the character generator so you could do your graphics. Then you had to learn the still store system and set up the copy-cam stand. You might even have to pull a tape deck out of the top rack (and what a pain if you didn’t have help lifting it out of there or putting it back in. Oh yeah, you had to get up and actually walk around the room to all these different stations instead of just sitting in front of a computer. There was no youtube to watch someone else show you, so you actually had to read a manual and figure it all out on your own. You could call GV and sit on hold for hours if you had time also.
I’d like to take some of these youngsters back in time and say here…….put it together in THIS room. The would be happy to get back : )
Thanks for posting that video also. It’s pretty scary actually.
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[Neil Goodman] “To me thats the scariest thing about today’s Job market. Anyone can learn the menial tasks at home in their underwear for free.”
This line needs it’s own thread.
It’s a long way from when I started that’s for sure.
It’s never been easier to learn our trade and at the same time I have never seen more bad work. (and good work) Go figure.