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“ALL NLEs: The Great Debate” – genuine question
I like the idea of a hive mind with knowledge of all the NLEs (and the old LEs) to help figure out better ways of working.
Q:
I’ve used the EVS (very basic) NLE ‘IPEdit’ sporadically since it came out.
For those (many!) who don’t know it – it is the ‘timeline’ function of an EVS replay server given a GUI (rather than trying to manipulate L cuts, J cuts, B roll, audio edits etc on the limited textual interface the replay guys use.)
Initially its power was the access to all the EVS input streams ‘live’, but that is mostly superseded by the increase in storage & speeds we can now achieve streaming to Avid, Adobe, Apple NLEs.
Lately the only feature I’m called to use it for is ‘Playout While Editing‘ and I’d like to find an alternative.
The requirements are devilishly simple – I need to be able to play out a timeline whilst I am making edits. Effectively there are two playheads feeding two outputs. I can expand with more detail if necessary.
Know a way to do that with any NLE?
Trevor
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One alternative way we do use is to export chunks of the timeline and append to a regular playlist playing out of an EVS – which is OK but you can get nowhere near as close to editing the live timeline. -
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Trevor asks –
Know a way to do that with any NLE?simple answer –
https://softron.tv/products/movierecorderused on countless remote trucks, and live events. Not just super expensive network events that can afford an EVS.
Bob Zelin
Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
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and when you complain “it’s not as powerful as what an EVS can do” –
my reply –
https://www.newtek.com/3play/Bob Zelin
Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
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Bob
There are multiple options to stream and edit the growing file.
The question was which NLE can playout (reliably to air) a sequence that is still being edited?
Thanks for the response though.
Trevor
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I don’t know if it’s responsive, but Peter Wiggins who runs FCP.co does a LOT of long form live to air work on FCP X. (He’s part of the team that covers the Tour de France and other large live sporting events every year for european broadcasters.) He’s written a LOT about editing growing files and live playout of the same.
You should check out the FCP.co site for some of his articles. He’s also a great guy and if you wanted to reach out and talk to him directly, I’d be happy to make an introduction.
Not saying what he does would work. But he knows the landscape really well on the Mac/FCP X side.
Just a FYI.
Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
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Thanks Bill, I know of Peter & the TdF work (even from the Gallery version of movie recorder). They stream, for editing a growing file, but export sequences to play to air.
No way of FCPx to have two playheads, unfortunately. (Nor Avid, Resolve, PPro either, pretty sure Lightworks, Edius & Vegas can’t either)
(I do think that X is possibly quickest to export for the ‘chunked’ workflow though.)
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Understood. I can’t imagine there’s any way to concurrently let two LIVE timelines exist each reaching into the same database. Maybe as these databases grow more hooks, the facility folks or the live playout folks will prove to be a big enough night for the coders to take a shot at something like that. But I wouldn’t hold my breath. Sorry.
Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
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This sounds like a big ask for any one non-specialist system, but what using two machines (one for editing, one for playout) with shared storage in an Adobe Premiere Pro team project, Avid bin sharing, or Resolve multiple user workflow?
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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The upside is, while you can’t really do what you are wanting to do, you can in X share a section of the timeline to the EVS while working in that same timeline. Which ever NLE you choose there is likely an export involved. The workflow for me would be as I cut one package, share that, and slide down the timeline and start working on the next package. Which, is probably already how you are working. The export is pretty fast like you said so………..not really losing that much time.
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There used to be an app that we used many years ago, called PictureReady, to edit shows in FCP 7 as they were being recorded to disk. I find that it still exists but can’t say if it works inside any NLE.
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Neil Sadwelkar
neilsadwelkar.blogspot.com
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[Bob Zelin] “and when you complain “it’s not as powerful as what an EVS can do” –
my reply –
https://www.newtek.com/3play/
“Looks like they have come along a bit! I shall have a further look at IBC. Thanks Bob
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