Tony West
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Interesting info.
I can’t say I’m surprised.
I think it says a lot that it’s up that high after being trashed by so many.
Just imagine how good it’s going to do when word of mouth spreads from people who use it and like it.
Tony West
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I meant fight like battle between Apple and PPro.
Fight to see what company is the last one standing.
I’m glad you like using it. I want everybody to be happy with what they are using.
I know people like PPro, I just wonder why it hasn’t taken off here.
I also think FCP X fits right into news. (you mentioned stations)
It’s crazy fast and that’s what you need in news. It’s easy to learn, and more and more stations want reporters to edit their own stuff. Reporter who really are not that good at cutting.
But for me the main thing I want is when a story breaks to walk in and type a topic and have all clips shot on that story come off the server into my Events folder and start cutting. Like a snap!
That’s the strong point of X, and when people at stations figure that out it will take off.
I have friend that is the only guy I know that cuts with PPro coming over tonight and I’m going to give him a demo on X
He is a big mac fan and wants to see it. He has always liked macs but couldn’t fit one into his budget.
He’s good at AE and has never seen motion.
I can let you know what he says if you like.
Tony West
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“I suspect Ubilos gets more cudos inside Apple for iMovie than anything to do with FCP or FCP X”
I suspect he got kudos from this article when Ken Stone reviewed imovie in 09
And said this
“I saw a number of features in iMovie 09, that I wished were in FCP”
https://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/imovie_09_stone.html
Seems to me like they listened to Stone and did some of what he was asking them to.
That’s not your take after reading that review and then looking at what happened?
Tony West
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Dude, where did this quote come from
“You say no one in broadcast is using PPro”
I said stations in MY town are not using PPro or any production houses I work at.
Why do people change words and pretend it’s what you said? Anyway…………
I notice you didn’t put St. Louis in there, that’s my town.
We will know soon enough who wins the fight.
Tony West
Tony West
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I don’t really see Premiere Pro making a dent in the market place I work in.
I don’t know one TV station in town that uses it, and I don’t know of any production houses in town that use it. They all either have FCP or Avid (the NBC affiliate has the Grass Valley system and they hate it)
That’s not a statement on the the product (pp), I’m just saying if they are going to be in the game they better get going.
Randy Ubilos, who created Premiere Pro left and ended up making FCP X
He must have thought Apple was going to be the last giant standing or why jump ship.Apple has been hacking away at Avid from the beginning. Putting out FCP well below the price of Avid.
Most of the time it comes down to two titans fighting it out. VHS vs Beta, P2 vs XD Cam
Avid vs FCP
No matter how much any of us like our products at the end of the day the company has to make money selling it to a lot of folks or it won’t be around.
You have to expand the base to sell to.
Apple has that part figured out.
I want to keep getting paid to edit in the future. If the worst thing that happens is I have to use FCP X to do it, I can live with that.
Tony West
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What do the places have that you Freelance at?
Seems like that might factor in on the decision.
” Premiere is still considered a toy in the industry,”
Isn’t that what people are saying about FCP X?
Tony West
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Bill, I think another element is being overlooked here.
There is a new ability to make a small budget documentary these days and to me FCP X fits right into that.
Look at a film like Gasland (that’s a great and important film) a film like that with a small budget because of it’s tone might have trouble getting funding.
Did you see that film? Look at the type of low end cameras he used to shoot it. UNHEARD OF years ago.
Oscar nominated now. Because in the end it’s about can you tell a story.That’s the type of film that will play right into the hands of FCP X.
Yeah, some big studio might not want to cut Spiderman 8 (or whatever) today on X but thank God that’s not the only type of film being made these days.
(Nothing against those films, it’s just cool to have options)
Another element that seem to be overlooked is shooting.
The landscape has changed with all these cheap HD cameras.
I’m seeing more and more people at big events shooting interviews with the 7D. Everyone records their audio separate then syncs it up in post.
Again, right into the hands of FCP X with its audio wave sync function.
It’s a faster easier way to cut that type of footage and they (Apple) know that’s where a lot of new stuff is going.
It’s almost like the forum could be broken into two parts. Feature film, and everything else.
At some point a person will hold an Oscar over their head with X.
Then I will say “I called it” : )
Tony West
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Well said, Bill
Tony West
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“Well, as an editor, without jamming TC, a lot of time is used dealing with this issue”
That’s my point, (I edit also) with X you can sync WITHOUT TC. You highlight both clips and the hit sync and done. That’s how I would rather do it.
“Well, you shouldn’t. That’s a single camera thing…that’s NEWS. That’s different. Jam synching timecode doesn’t happen with ON THE SCENE news does it? Dunno, not my area.”
But it is my area and I can explain how it works.
FSN and Fox 2 news are both FOX. One is sports, and the other is news but we share footage because we are the same company. We could both have shooters there. Happens all the time.Also we have more than one shooter at FSN. Depending on what is happening we could have many shooters.
Shane, our team is in the World Series tonight. How many people do you think we will have down there?
I can tell you it’s not going to be ONE. It’s the World Series.“Then please take care to give post everything we need.”
But I’m post also Shane, I’m a shooter AND an editor and finding shots by name with X is what I need.
It’s just not what you need.We do different stuff man.
Remember I’m not telling YOU to use this app, I’m telling others how I use it or could use it in the future.
“The BETTER stuff is prepared and given to us, the more money you save the production.”
CORRECT they are wasting money by looking for shots the “old” way.
The “BETTER stuff” for me is stuff that is ORGANIZED the way I want to use it.Tony West
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Shane, I hear what you are saying about what you need and I think you hear what I need in Sports/News.
As a person who works on some of the most watched events on Television I know what I need also.
You point out that many people still use tape. I know that, because ESPN and FOX that are MY clients are in that mode to.
The difference seems to be that I’m in their face telling them to move away from tape everyday.
As a shooter I HATE tape. As an Editor I HATE tape. I don’t want to work with it anymore.
I work on many sports round table shows as a shooter and our AVID editor always says “make sure you jam timecode on those cameras” (we may have five on a small show)
With X you don’t have to worry about that because it syncs with sound.
As a PRO shooter I would rather not worry about jamming TC. It just slows me down in the field.
When News is breaking and there is a press conference I don’t WANT to worry about TC.
I don’t want to go through tape libraries looking for shots of Stan the Man.
Get what I am saying? I don’t WANT to work like that anymore. It’s old.
I have worked on the biggest stages in the world, and I don’t care about labels.
I care about doing good work and getting paid.
The faster I can move your stuff out the door the more stuff I can work on and get paid more.
We just need different things.
I don’t know about other people on here, but in the world I work in it’s all about them looking at their watches thinking “I hope I don’t have to pay you overtime.”
We both get paid and work on big shows. We are just focused on different things.
Doesn’t make either of us bad or good. Just different.
Tony West