[Tom Daigon]

You have to speak to an Adobe software guy about how PrP does it thing that I cant speak to. But choosing Prores as the Preview codec is the first step in my alternative approach.

And this workflow at this point is theoretical, but feasible. Like I said, if you edit either long form shows or graphic intensive projects, the exporting process can involve hours of time. All my professional life Ive worked in client oriented sessions. At the end of a 2 day edit, if I told a client it was going to take 8 hours to export their video, they probably would run screaming from the edit bay 😀

So the solution is this. Instead of spending all that rendering time, I just play out the timeline through a Kona 3 SDI output that is hooked up to a Ki Pro Mini recorder. If the show is 20 minutes, the dump to the KPM is 20 min. and you get a Prores master when you are done. 90 min. movie? Instead of a 20 hour render, you spend 90 minutes dumping the timeline to the KPM. Its analogous to dumping to tape. A process I did for the last 30 years in about every edit bay I ever worked in. There are some unknowns at this point that need testing. And if involves purchasing the AJA product. But I think its a great alternative to the time intensive export process that PrP is locked into for certain kinds of productions.

Tom Daigon
Avid DS / PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
Mac Pro 3,1
8 core
10.6.8
Nvidia Quadro 4000
24 gigs ram
Maxx Digital / Areca 8tb. raid
Kona 3

[Tom Daigon]

I do have an innovative alternative for getting out the sequence that I spoke to both Adobe and AJA about that is a great solution for folks that have to deal with LONG renders that their clients might not tolerate.

Tom Daigon
Avid DS / PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
Mac Pro 3,1
8 core
10.6.8
Nvidia Quadro 4000
24 gigs ram
Maxx Digital / Areca 8tb. raid
Kona 3

[Tom Daigon]

Here is an extended discussion with users and Adobe about my trying to do the very same thing. The bottom line to my experience is
1. It doesn’t save that much time since when exporting. PrP still rerenders the timeline previews.
2. Adobe advises against this approach since it involves generation loss.
In the discussion an Adobe person addresses why PrP doesn’t work like FCP and probably never will.

Tom Daigon
Avid DS / PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
Mac Pro 3,1
8 core
10.6.8
Nvidia Quadro 4000
24 gigs ram
Maxx Digital / Areca 8tb. raid
Kona 3

[Tom Daigon]

Good to know, Tim.

Tom Daigon
Avid DS / PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
Mac Pro 3,1
8 core
10.6.8
Nvidia Quadro 4000
24 gigs ram
Maxx Digital / Areca 8tb. raid
Kona 3

[Tom Daigon]

With the release of Avid 6, the next few months are a crucial time for Adobe to implement some damage control to deal with the recurring issues that the general population are experiencing. (for details just read this and Adobe forum list for the last 4 weeks.)
I am beginning to hear die hard switchers seriously considering now switching to Avid. Many of these are facility based, but lots of individuals as well. Reliable playback, monitoring, tape based ingest are just a few of the issues that converts are growing increasingly weary off.
I mean no disrespect to Adobe, but if some steps arent taken to somehow address these issues, I really see the professional community passing PrP by and going to Avid. Adobe , you had a great opportunity to broaden your scope and user base. This opportunity wont happen again.

Tom Daigon
Avid DS / PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
Mac Pro 3,1
8 core
10.6.8
Nvidia Quadro 4000
24 gigs ram
Maxx Digital / Areca 8tb. raid
Kona 3

[Tom Daigon]

I dont believe so. Usually the other way works (ie opening 5 in 5.5)

Tom Daigon
Avid DS / PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
Mac Pro 3,1
8 core
10.6.8
Nvidia Quadro 4000
24 gigs ram
Maxx Digital / Areca 8tb. raid
Kona 3

[Tom Daigon]

It looks like Avid needs to work on its communications skills 😀

Tom Daigon
Avid DS / PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
Mac Pro 3,1
8 core
10.6.8
Nvidia Quadro 4000
24 gigs ram
Maxx Digital / Areca 8tb. raid
Kona 3

[Tom Daigon]

Semantics….call it whatever you want…Malware..Virus. It still means that the PC is vulnerable in a way that Macs are not. I need web access to email clients, upload approvals, download audio and graphics,do research on projects and a bunch of other reasons. I have owned both and there is less cause for stress on the Mac. Which is ironic since the Mac Pro sounds like its history which will motivate me back to the PC platform 😀

Tom Daigon
Avid DS / PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
Mac Pro 3,1
8 core
10.6.8
Nvidia Quadro 4000
24 gigs ram
Maxx Digital / Areca 8tb. raid
Kona 3

[Tom Daigon]

Bye Mark. Good luck with FCP.

Tom Daigon
Avid DS / PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
Mac Pro 3,1
8 core
10.6.8
Nvidia Quadro 4000
24 gigs ram
Maxx Digital / Areca 8tb. raid
Kona 3

[Tom Daigon]

Chris, if it did happen in CS6 it would be only for certain formats and wouldnt help me with my work flow.

This is Wils response to my questions regarding Smart Rendering.

Wil – “lasvideo: smart rendering is something that we’ve been asked a lot about, esp. lately by all the broadcasting partners we’ve been working with. Specifically, their interest lies in smart rendering from XDCAM HD sources, as they’re all working with XDCAM 420 / 422 material (either camera captured OP1a MXF sources, or else material captured/ingested via Harmonic MediaDecks, Telestream, etc). Let’s just say that we’re very actively looking into what we can do here.

Keep in mind though that this isn’t magic – the minute you apply any kind of effect (realtime or not) on an MPEG source, you nullify the ability to copy/paste/splice GOPs. Notwithstanding, smart rendering has a broad appeal to people in for instance news workflows, where the bulk of effects involve at best transitions between clips, so most of the edited material is ‘naked’.

I’m not sure what your workflow is, but reading between the lines, where I’m imagining you’re doing a lot of post effects (CC & the like) using CUDA, I think a different methodology might help things: I’m imagining something along the lines of hardware compression at the output of PPro, so if you have some kind of output card (ie BM/AJA/Matrox) and feeding SDI into a secondary capture device, so you could effectively get 1x output speeds; that, or else some kind of hardware accelerator plugin for Adobe Media Encoder such as the Elemental plugin for H.264 encoding…”

Tom Daigon
Avid DS / PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
Mac Pro 3,1
8 core
10.6.8
Nvidia Quadro 4000
24 gigs ram
Maxx Digital / Areca 8tb. raid
Kona 3