MC 6 release – PPro?

[Jacob Kerns]

What resources?

Its already using less resources than FCP did.

The no transcoding and intergration with AE alone to me better than AVID’s offering. Plus everything included with the suite.

The 3rd party do need tweaks.

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Technical Director

[Rafael Metz]

Resources – CUDA, processor power.

It feels like FCP has used BMD&Co in a different way. And I think it´s about both parties – Adobe and BMD&Co. Right now external monitoring (which is basic stuff) does´nt work well. My BMD sequences stop after a couple of seconds of playback (latest driver installed).

No question about interaction between PPro and AE, etc. That´s fine.

[Alex Udell]

think about what you are asking PPro to do….

move the frames to the gpu

Accelerate the processing of media on the GPU…

then pass that media back to host memory…

then have the I/O card pick it up for display….

that’s a lot of trips around the system bus….

not to mention that GPU’s are primarily (at least they used to be) designed as a 1 way street….the intention is mainly for display….or output…..not sure the bandwidth going the other direction…(back to the host bus)

so that may be why you see the behavior you do…

my guess is that if there were a GPU card that an extra HDMI on it….this would likley give you awesome performance.

just speculation….

Alex

[Rafael Metz]

I´m not a system architect, programmer, etc. I´m a professional working user and I want that stuff do what it is supposed to. So I don´t care where data needs to go through which processors etc. That is not my business.
I´m just saying – the competitors move forward; I see basics like external monitoring within PPro not solved, etc.
I´m just saying – Adobe, keep up. Soon.

[Alex Udell]

Hi Rafael…

I appreciate your commentary and your feedback. I’m sure everybody here does.

It is helpful to have some idea how the data is being handled to understand why things behave they way they do. That is what I am trying to offer.

My guess is that if you look closely at what Avid has to offer….their solution will work best with their hardware (which they can control). It probably will not be as optimized for 3rd party hardware, though, for a change, it actually will be open to 3rd parties.

You are asking solutions designed for one type of architecture (designed before the existence of Mercury) to behave the same way with a Mercury. That’s a tall order.

Out of curiosity, and not to turn this into a support thread, but what happens if you switch to Mercury software only and continue to use the i/o card of your choice? You’d still get multi threaded performance, which should be quite good, and I’m wondering if it improves behavior with IO for monitoring.

As I don’t have one here to test, I’ll leave it to you.

good luck…

thanks,

Alex

[Rafael Metz]

Hi Alex,

don´t get me wrong – I´m not “not interested” in technical stuff 🙂
It´s like sometimes you really are at the state where you concentrate on your main skills and needs. And you know solutions that do exactly that. I´m using Avid since the mid 90´s and I know about the pros and cons of it. I´ve used FCP for many years, also knowing about the pros and cons, living with them.
After FCPX I went to PPro because it looks like a solution with high potential. Avid is (after for a long time having not) stepping up – concerning codecs, open to third party stuff, etc.
And I´m just in this “my day to day business want´s some real basic stuff like external monitoring, etc.”, I have that BMD HD card, I have that CUDA card, I have that MacPro and it just that it feels it could be faster for some reason (with my “oh, maybe the given resources could be shared differently”).
I have my clients sitting next to me – I cannot really say “ah, yes, we´re waiting for another update from Adobe so that it feels for you like the former FCP or a Media Composer” – even if I feel like this.

I have Mercury on for sure – but the BMD support is really lame…playback stops after a couple of seconds and you turn back to Mercury only.
As I said Adobe and BMD, AJA, Matrox need both work on it – but on the other hand we´re talking about basic features a NLE in the year 2011 should not be reason for a discussion at all.

Greetings
Rafael

[Todd Kopriva]

Regarding problems with Blackmagic hardware:
Be sure that you’ve installed the Premiere Pro CS5.5 (5.5.2) update. It includes some big bug fixes regarding stability and performance with third-party I/O hardware.

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[Rafael Metz]

Todd, I have PPro 5.5.2 and the BMD driver 8.6.1 installed – and playback stops after some seconds.

[Carlos Castro]

Rafael I know how you feel. I have pretty much the same background as you with FCP and Avid, I know their pit falls like you. I was hoping to get something that works flawlessly when I went over to Premiere Pro and the rest of the suite. I have no problems with the software if I don’t try to connect an external monitor via matrox mxo2 which is what I have.

When I do use it, it is simply a nightmare. I get playback issues all the time, I find myself saving and restarting constantly. I use a set of 5.1 speakers that are directly connected to my CPU via optical cable. I hear audio through the speakers if I play and source in the preview monitor within PP. Once I have it on the sequence, no matter what flavor the sequence, I get audio only in my external monitor { TV, Client monitor} Never in my speaker system. I have been through every setting and tech support, still nothing.

When I try and use After FX I get a 2 or 3 times scaled up picture in my client monitor. I can hear audio perfectly through my speaker system though, go figure. The only system it has work flawlessly with is FCP 6-7.

I think it’s a matrox issue as much as Adobe to be honest but I just wanted to let you know I feel you pain constantly too.

[Rafael Metz]

Thank you, Carlos!

I think the more people state their issues the greater the possibility something changes.

In general I feel we´re right at the point where Adobe needs to prove their PRO-Commitment which they called out loud not long ago. And it´s not only about the basic 1×1 – monitoring, tape support, etc.

From my point of view Premiere 5.5 had the right basis evolving to a solid tool – and reading all the “we do listen” statements from Adobe I went to Premiere instead of MC.
And right now – as MC 6 is out – I want that evolution and that “we listened” prove even faster.

Greetings
Rafael