MC 6 release – PPro?

[Todd Kopriva]

If you’re still having problems after installing the update, be sure to submit a bug report:
https://www.adobe.com/go/wish

(more on feedback for Premiere Pro)

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Todd Kopriva, Adobe Systems Incorporated
Technical Support for professional video software
After Effects Help & Support
Premiere Pro Help & Support
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[Rafael Metz]

I´m sending bug reports and feature request regularly 🙂

[Tom Daigon]

With the release of Avid 6, the next few months are a crucial time for Adobe to implement some damage control to deal with the recurring issues that the general population are experiencing. (for details just read this and Adobe forum list for the last 4 weeks.)
I am beginning to hear die hard switchers seriously considering now switching to Avid. Many of these are facility based, but lots of individuals as well. Reliable playback, monitoring, tape based ingest are just a few of the issues that converts are growing increasingly weary off.
I mean no disrespect to Adobe, but if some steps arent taken to somehow address these issues, I really see the professional community passing PrP by and going to Avid. Adobe , you had a great opportunity to broaden your scope and user base. This opportunity wont happen again.

Tom Daigon
Avid DS / PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
Mac Pro 3,1
8 core
10.6.8
Nvidia Quadro 4000
24 gigs ram
Maxx Digital / Areca 8tb. raid
Kona 3

[Todd Kopriva]

If you’re having problems with playback stopping after a short time, you might be encountering the issue mentioned here:
https://kb2.adobe.com/cps/842/cpsid_84287.html

Try the solutions in that document and report back.

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Todd Kopriva, Adobe Systems Incorporated
Technical Support for professional video software
After Effects Help & Support
Premiere Pro Help & Support
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[Rafael Metz]

Tom, that is exactly it! Couldn´t have said it better!

[Rafael Metz]

Thank you, Todd! I´ll try that.

[Rafael Metz]

Todd, I deleted that file as described but it doesn´t have no effect on playback/monitoring. It still stops after some seconds.

[Robert Brown]

I have to agree that Adobe has some work to do and IMO it’s make or break for PPro. After Effects just works. It’s one of the most reliable programs out there and is incredibly deep.

Tonight I opened a very simple SD project in PPro and the first I notice is the audio isn’t playing back. I check everything and it turns out if I adjust my levels on the clip bringing them up then down it works all of the sudden. Then I brought in some 720p footage DVC ProHD and all the viewers freeze and the program while not having crashed does not respond to any commands. Then after 10 seconds or so it mysteriously starts to work again and will play back video once again.

What I hope Adobe realizes is if they don’t get this thing bullet proof as far as basic video playback it will never fly. If Mercury causes as many problems as it solves then it’s a failure. I just hope they realize that. I’m really rooting for Adobe here but PPro is not ready for prime-time IMO. Every time I use it some basic thing decides not to work on a state of the art system with all of the latest drivers.

Robert Brown

12 Core Mac Pro 32 GB Ram OSX 10.6.8
Nvidia GTX 285
Kona 3
9 TB RAID

Robert Brown
Editor/VFX/Colorist – FCP, Smoke, Quantel Pablo, After Effects, 3DS MAX, Premiere Pro

https://vimeo.com/user3987510/videos

[Tim Kolb]

I think that the 500 pound gorilla in the room is that Windows users do not seem to run into many of the issues that Mac users run into.

There is a huge Windows user population for PPro and we find ourselves unable to assist those coming over who are running Macs because of the different ecosystem and conventions.

We have a bit of the eternal divide between Adobe and Avid resurfacing…deck control and video I/O. Avid was first on the scene and their entire mission was based on replacing conventional VTR-based editing systems, and they started with all the critical factors needed in that environment…timecode, accurate deck control, etc.

Adobe Premiere started life as a video media editing application. The original idea with Premiere was editing QuickTime video inside of the computer. Over the years, this has been a traditional obstacle to many in our industry christening Premiere/Premiere Pro a “professional” tool.

Over time, the industry has sort of circled back toward PPro’s strengths in that cameras that shoot data result in a direct transfer in…no deck control needed. Suddenly Adobe has some real traction as all this time they’ve been working on enhancing their capabilities with more kinds of data…while Avid/FCP stayed in the “transcode to the house format” mindset for quite a long period.

Whether this window of opportunity ends up passing Adobe by this time or not, I’m sure part of the excruciating decision that has to be made by Adobe is whether or not to place considerable resources into:

1) …building up support for a fading technology. Tape has no future of growth obviously…no disprespect to those who are still dependent on it…but that’s the fact. It won’t result in future sales growth for any large player in our industry to enhance their VTR controls in this decade.,

2) …troubleshooting a platform and OS that doesn’t seem all that cooperative (NVIDIA display options suddenly go ‘poof’ on Mac Book Pros just as the way Adobe uses CUDA starts to give them traction on the Apple platform…interesting),

3) …with a media architecture that isn’t cross platform any longer (QTX has not been rushed to Windows where QT7.x is still 32 bit),

4) …amidst the deliberations of that company regarding dropping the hardware product line that is best suited to run PPro in the first place (Mac Pro workstations).

I’m not anti-Mac, but I can sympathize with the potential no-win situation Adobe faces here. I know they are concerned about these issues as Al Mooney the new product manager spent time with Avid…he knows the landscape.

While I know none of this is any consolation when you have to use the machine you’ve invested considerably in far in excess of the hardware purchase price, to make a living… I do think there are market forces that can’t be ignored here, and Adobe is a business that needs to be thoughtful about their development investment long-arc as well as short-arc, and make choices that make sense in ROI terms as well as supporting the widest variety of customers possible.

Adobe makes a product that has certain strengths, Avid has theirs…FCP had theirs pre-FCPX…and has different strengths now. As Avid and Adobe both try to listen intently to FCP7 refugees to accommodate them in the best way possible, neither one is Apple, and their applications aren’t FCP.

Those of us who decided against FCP years ago want to help those moving to Adobe or Avid all we can, but both companies are not Apple and the prospect of either of them building an app that is as “hand-in-glove” as FCP was on Mac seems unlikely unless it’s something that Apple decides they want.

TimK,
Director, Consultant
Kolb Productions,

Adobe Certified Instructor

[Tom Daigon]

Very nice summation Tim. It puts a nice perspective on things that us Mac users might not be aware of. Ive sort of resigned myself to the inevitable switch back to the PC (been there, done that). It pains me how much software is going to need cross grading or left behind completely. These tough economic times make the decision to switch back even less attractive. Luckily my old Mac Pro seems to function better then some of the newer ones with PrP so I will hang in there probably at least to after NAB.

Tom Daigon
Avid DS / PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
Mac Pro 3,1
8 core
10.6.8
Nvidia Quadro 4000
24 gigs ram
Maxx Digital / Areca 8tb. raid
Kona 3