Steve West
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Thanks, great information for me as I try to figure out FCP. My reason for wanting to work in DV- and maybe I’m wrong in my thinking, is because it’s taking HOURS to render out quicktimes for client review.
I output quicktimes of my offline and post them to a website for client review. It’s taking compressor 3 hours to compress a 4 minute video from prores to mpeg4. On my avid it would take a few minutes.
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I imported the footage into a 720p/23.976 project- and there’s no output through the mojo (’cause the mojo’s only SD).
I imported the footage into a 1080i project and when I try to play it- I get an error “clip frame rate does not match project rate”.
Since the footage is “native” it somehow needs to do a reverse telecine and get the frame rate to 60i doesn’t it?
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I copy the P2 cards to a P2 store in the field- and if I have time and a place to work, I also copy the cards to an external hard drive hooked to my HP8000- which has a slot to insert the P2 cards- I use P2 Genie and copy to a seagate External drive. When I get back to my suite I copy the P2 folders from the P2 Store to a Dual Layer DVD. I then import the files to my Avid. Because I’m paranoid- I don’t reformat the P2 store until I need the space for another shoot. I figure it takes about twice as long to import and backup the P2 files than it does to digitize a tape and put it on the shelf when you’re done.
Time- Copy 8 gig card to P2 Store 8 minutes
copy to hard drive 12 minutes
copy and verify DL DVD 22 Minutes
Import to Avid 8 minutes
Total 50 MinutesDigitize 30 minutes of DV tape and put on a shelf- 31 minutes
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I replied to this same post in the Canon Forum- so I thought I’d give it equal time in the Panasonic forum
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I have a HVX200 and a Sony Z1- and I use a XL H1 on a regular basis- most of my work is commercial or corporate, and my pick is the XL H1.
On the XL, I shoot HDV, usually cine gamma, 30P (sometimes 24P, never mind your trick questions), downconvert to DV- edit on an Avid xpress HD with MOJO- and make component Betacam dubs for air, or a DVD for the corporate videos. This may change once the local stations start taking some sort of HD for local commercials or if some HD DVD format “takes hold”.
If I was shooting a movie, it might be different.
Part of my reasoning has to do with my workflow. Editing HD is a pain- even though I have an HP 8200, dual 3.4 gig xeon processors, 4 gig of Ram, and in the end- I’m sending out SD. Converting HDV or HD to SD after editing doesn’t seem to give me any better quality.
Why I like the XL-
-Better Lens-Better image quality
-I like HDV as an acquisition format as opposed to full HD (and the 200 doesn’t have HDV)
-Clients like to see a “bigger camera” on the shoot- (say what you want, but it’s true)
Why I don’t like the 200
-P2 cards
-On my very first shoot- I had a corrupt file on the P2 card- I spent days trying to figure out why my file copy failed. In addition, the second card I shot, was only playing 1 track of audio in the Avid, even though the P2 player had both tracks.
-P2 card workflow takes longer than tape- record 30 minutes of DV to P2 card- copy P2 to laptop on location and Verify (10 minutes), make DL DVD, burn and verify (20 minutes), oh, and hire another person to do this, because I’m shooting. Copy DVD to Avid hard drives- (8 minutes). Use media tool to get the files and pray (a couple of minutes depending on prayer). Make a backup of the DVD, just in case (20 minutes)
-No HDV
-The “reds” look like crap
So why did I buy a 200? Actually it was for one job and it will probably end up on Ebay.
So, my preference is the XL, then the Z, then the 200.
These opinions are based on my workflow and experience, not on any “shoot out” or specs- If I was using DVCPro HD, then of course, I’d have to use the 200, but truthfully, If I needed DVC pro HD, I’d rent a Varicam so I didn’t have to deal with the P2 card issues.
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I have a HVX200 and a Sony Z1- and I use a XL H1 on a regular basis- most of my work is commercial or corporate, and my pick is the XL H1.
On the XL, I shoot HDV, usually cine gamma, 30P (sometimes 24P, never mind your trick questions), downconvert to DV- edit on an Avid xpress HD with MOJO- and make component Betacam dubs for air, or a DVD for the corporate videos. This may change once the local stations start taking some sort of HD for local commercials or if some HD DVD format “takes hold”.
If I was shooting a movie, it might be different.
Part of my reasoning has to do with my workflow. Editing HD is a pain- even though I have an HP 8200, dual 3.4 gig xeon processors, 4 gig of Ram, and in the end- I’m sending out SD. Converting HDV or HD to SD after editing doesn’t seem to give me any better quality.
Why I like the XL-
-Better Lens-Better image quality
-I like HDV as an acquisition format as opposed to full HD (and the 200 doesn’t have HDV)
-Clients like to see a “bigger camera” on the shoot- (say what you want, but it’s true)
Why I don’t like the 200
-P2 cards
-On my very first shoot- I had a corrupt file on the P2 card- I spent days trying to figure out why my file copy failed. In addition, the second card I shot, was only playing 1 track of audio in the Avid, even though the P2 player had both tracks.
-P2 card workflow takes longer than tape- record 30 minutes of DV to P2 card- copy P2 to laptop on location and Verify (10 minutes), make DL DVD, burn and verify (20 minutes), oh, and hire another person to do this, because I’m shooting. Copy DVD to Avid hard drives- (8 minutes). Use media tool to get the files and pray (a couple of minutes depending on prayer). Make a backup of the DVD, just in case (20 minutes)
-No HDV
-The “reds” look like crap
So why did I buy a 200? Actually it was for one job and it will probably end up on Ebay.
So, my preference is the XL, then the Z, then the 200.
These opinions are based on my workflow and experience, not on any “shoot out” or specs- If I was using DVCPro HD, then of course, I’d have to use the 200, but truthfully, If I needed DVC pro HD, I’d rent a Varicam so I didn’t have to deal with the P2 card issues.
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How well did the 200 match the Varicam Footage? Were any of the shots in the trailer from the 200?
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I do post quicktimes for client review. I even post DVD ISO files for my out of town clients and they make thier own DVD’s of the spots. I couldn’t remember if Avid Online Review was software I could run on my server, a quicktime plugin, or a hosting solution provided by Avid. I was thinking that Avid provided the hosting, but the quicktime player that made it work would be usable by anyone.