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[Shawn Miller] “Doesn’t this support Andrew’s point though? A PC user could say that Adobe is wasting time and resources supporting Metal instead of fixing “important” cross platform bugs.”
You beat me to it. ????
– RK
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[andy patterson] “How do you equate not wanting plugins with me thinking Premiere is perfect?”
Okay. So you’re not clear on the whole point of plugins. Okay.
[andy patterson] “Don’t you need a plugin for VR?”
Nope.
[andy patterson] “Didn’t Wes Plate make a plugin like Automatic Duck for FPX and Motion?”
Yepp. 99 bucks. So? Still waiting for the missing $660,01… which you clearly can’t quantify, but merely pulled out… oh never mind.
[andy patterson] “Shouldn’t Apple have that built in?”
Should’ve? Why? Do you know your way around Motion? What is it you need from Motion? What is it you think everyone needs Motion for, therefore there should be additional integration above and beyond the highly intricate integration that already exists? Have you even the slightest clue what that integration entails? I’m guessing not the least bit. So I guess we’re back to the “arse” part?
[andy patterson] “but at least I do not need a 3rd party plugin to link to Premiere Pro to After Effects.”
Aha. I clearly guessed correctly. You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about and are therefore merely trolling. Ergo: this is a complete waste of my time. Cheers.
– RK
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[Andrew Kimery] “To continue the thought process, how would you rank FCP X w/o Motion or Compressor?”
That’s an easy one. ????
Even without Motion, any and every Final Cut Pro X user can partake in the massive (more often than not FREE) ecosystem of filters, titles, templates etc. etc. etc. that exist. All of which they can use and customize within FCP. Again, without Motion let alone Compressor. One of the top reasons that FCP X outranks PPro as an NLE for a much wider range of editors IMO, not to mention for me. ????
What does PPro have to offer in that respect? Resolve or Avid? Honest question. I don’t know of anything.
Sure, you might now argue that all that wouldn’t be possible without Motion. But again: integration. I’m not the one that made it that way i.e. came up with the brilliant idea not to make Motion just a cheap, loosely bolted-on sidecar app, but a truly integral part of FCP. Without Motion you wouldn’t have a single effect, title or transition in FCP, so yeah, that would suck to say the least. But that’s hardly a legitimate argument.
But if you wanted to stick to that premise anyway, then even iMovie would kick FCP’s backend many times over. Go figure. Competition over.
In other words, you CAN’T take Motion out of the equation entirely one way or the other. But you sure can take AE out of PPro’s equation and next to NOTHING would change. So I’d say it’s an impossible comparison.
– RK
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[andy patterson] The price of FCPX prior to plugins $299.99. After plugins $960.00.”
We’ll also conveniently ignore that PPro CC by itself would have cost you $880 (so in 5 months you’ll have paid even more and with every additional month… you do the math) and for CC in general $2200 to date… again, only going UP.
Final Cut Pro X, Motion and Compressor together to date? Roughly $5.80 a month. Oh right… and going DOWN with each additional month.
Oops.
So what was your point again? I forget.
– RK
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[andy patterson] “I also don’t want plugins.”
Of course not. PPro is perfect as is.
[andy patterson] The price of FCPX prior to plugins $299.99. After plugins $960.00.”
You of course wouldn’t care to break that down, right? You know, the whole “arse” thing and all?
– RK
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[Scott Witthaus] “If Premiere was a standalone product in the market (not attached to Adobe and the other products at all), where do you feel it would rank in the NLE world?”
I’d say, for me, right behind Final Cut Pro X. Most definitely way ahead of Avid. Resolve is pretty damn close though, but really only because of the whole FREE thing, it’s biggest feature after being a superb color app, not NLE. The only other two I have ever had to deal with. But then I haven’t had any in-production experience with Avid in about eight years. But the leap that it would have had to have made since then would have to be astronomical to move up the list at all, and I know it hasn’t. My use of PPro has been sporadic the last few years, but enough that I’m confidant I’m more than able to judge how it does in comparison. Again, for me. But then ANY track-based NLE has become a complete no-go, so ultimately…
[Scott Witthaus] “I ask that because I hear so many people saying they use Premiere because of the (kinda good) links with AE and PS.”
Guess how much those people actually know of any other alternatives?
Ironically, I miss the integration with Illustrator much more than the other two, seeing that it’s practically non-existent for FCP and M5 at the moment. Also because the PS integration with FCP and Motion is perfectly sufficient for me and what I do. And Motion’s integration with FCP X is factually much deeper and tighter than that between PPro and AE. Yes, factually. Unfortunately no one is ever able to see past the “send to/open from the timeline” thing (which of course you can do, too, with XSendMotion if need be), as if that were as relevant as they like to make it. Of course if that’s in fact where the integration ends for you, that can be pretty damn important, yeah. Surprise. Then they’ll tout “Dynamic Link!”, which, as anyone that has actually ever used it knows perfectly well, rarely has anything “Dynamic” about it, sorry. Hence the addition of “Render and Replace”? Gee. Wonder why. Wait, what happened to “Dynamic“?? ????
Want true “Dynamic”? Take a look at Motion files in a Final Cut Pro X timeline. How many colors can you change of your AE project from within PPro for example? Replace content? Exchange the entire layout, animation, individual layers etc. etc. without having to re-open it in AE? Create custom video transitions for PPro? Create custom effect filters? How bout generators? Have immediate access to your AE file or files in PPro by doing nothing but hitting ⌘S and don’t have to go through some import dialog dance because you forgot where you put it? Have that file available for any and every project after that, neatly tucked away in its own category or even theme, without having to even think about it?
Exactly.
For me, that’s integration. YMMV. ????
– RK
p.s. And please, I am NOT saying Motion is better than AE, is a replacement or whatever yadda yadda yadda. That wasn’t the question. And no, it isn’t. For some things. ???? And especially not if your NLE is PPro or motion graphics are your main source of income. Duh.
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[Steve Connor] “and release buggy updates because the devs are under pressure to add features regularly”
Yupp. Apparently they have their priorities rather mixed up. The PR dept. probably doesn’t think bug fixes are anywhere near as sexy. Or maybe they think “squashing a bug” means piling more and more stuff on top until it suffocates on its own? ????
Say what you will about FCP’s supposed “lacking” feature-set (whatever someone thinks that could be), but what it does it does well and at least in my case very solidly. Can’t personally think of any bug worth mentioning that has survived more than maybe two updates.
– RK
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[Bill Davis] “(Warning: a brief scene of non-gratuitous nudity involved)”
????… only in America.
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[Guille Ibanez] “I don’t mind Premiere having that social panel, i really don’t. “
I for one love the social media integration in Final Cut Pro X, since I upload a lot of clips to both Youtube and Vimeo and the amount keeps growing. Without the direct access via the respective APIs you’d be left having to re-enter absolutely everything online after your upload in terms of various infos and metadata. Data that I have already long completed in FCP, mostly with automated custom metadata sets. This way I just enter it once, everything from description, genre, tags, episode etc. etc. and upload. Everything is retained. And if there’s a correction, rinse and repeat. I’ve had to upload 50+ clips at once and if I had had to go in afterwards to re-enter all the information… wow. I’m assuming with PPro it’s the same.
[Guille Ibanez] “If these very obvious bugs live within the software for several versions and all you see is new [enter random feature here] then I do mind it.”
A reoccurring theme it would seem, yes. And here I thought I remember there being talk of the whole point being “Keep the revenue stream going month after month after month and we’ll be able to constantly and more quickly update and improve the software!”… hm.
– RK
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[andy patterson] “Your own work and data? You don’t have to use the storage options of the CC service. “
Do tell: how many CC PPro and AE projects do you have access to once you opt out of the ol’ subscription to maybe switch elsewhere or figure having already paid thou$and$ to date is enough? How about InDesign, or maybe Lightroom? Hmmmm…
I wasn’t even thinking of the online storage options, but thanks for doubling down on my point. ????
[andy patterson] “Having said that even if they had the CS 12.5 Master Collection on DVD for $299.99 and only $49.99 for the upgrades (DVDs) you still wouldn’t buy it “
Right. Never mind that I bought every iteration of the CS there ever was. ???? You know me so well. Clearly.
[andy patterson] “because you hate Adobe and I can prove it. “
Huh?? What the… ????
Oh, but please, do. Can’t wait.[andy patterson] “There was no activation prior to CC.”
LOL… right. Silly me. I was just imagining things.
https://adobe.ly/2j7jq8A
https://adobe.ly/2j7l61T
Don’t click those. They’re clearly fake Adobe pages. You’re of course right. I’m just making it up because I so totally hate Adobe. Damn. You got me. ????[andy patterson] “I could talk out my arse”
I’m sorry…could?
Thanks for the expert insight. Keep it up. ????????
– RK