[Neil Goodman]

[andy patterson] “FCPX cannot play back 4K R3D files at full resolution without dropping frames using a 2017 iMac.”

Uh it can and it does using a 2015 Imac so I’m not sure what your talking about, the 2017 should handle it with ease. Obviously each person’s setups will have different variables affecting playback (drive speed being the biggest factor IMO) but it’s definitely doable and NO Im not going to make you a video of it.

Premiere Pro can play back the same clips as well, but in actual editing on a timeline I have to drop resolution to 1/4 to get smooth playback of my sequence so take that whats its worth.

At the end of the day it’s very insignificant to me whether my computer can play back 4k+ natively anyways because I dont cut with native media so I have a feeling this 2015 Imca is going to last me a very long time.

[Neil Goodman]

[Bill Davis] particularly knowing that I can play with scene order, juxtaposition and move things that “feel adjacent” into that type of adjacency on a whim, and instantly undo or re-rearrange them – seems like something I’d be very hard pressed to give up.

A solid proxy workflow encourages that type of experimentation. “

How out of curiosity is that limited to using proxies?

That just sounds like non linear editing to me with or without proxy. No matter the media whether it be pro res 4444, h264/5 proxy, or blackmagic raw – its all manipulated in the same way. The media doesn’t affect experimentation or enhance creativity.

[Neil Goodman]

[greg janza] “However, the proxy workflow overall is an inefficient use of an editor’s time.”

Unless your in Avid, where you don’t actually have to “make” proxies at all. It’s literally just a button press now as of v8 and your working in 1/4 or 1/16 resolution proxies at literally the flick of switch.

I’m not sure what kind of voodoo is going on under the hood but it works and allows me to play back and do rough edits of 8k r3d clips on 2015 Imac. Going back to full res is just another press of the button. No time needed.

And..if those resolutions aren’t cutting it for you for whatever reason, you can make lower res proxies in the actual background and they wont pause baking while you do other work or pull selects from the clips.

They really took background process and proxy workflows to the next level this year with the v8 update. Otherwise I agree – Letting files bake over night isnt always a viable option and these days all my assits have time to do for me is make proxies for our Premiere Pro projects.

[Neil Goodman]

[andy patterson] “Never under estimate the power of Intel’s Quick Sync or a $1,200.00 gaming PC.

The PC below could playback 4K R3D files at full resolution using Premiere Pro as well as 8K R3D files. I admit you might need to drop down to 1/4 resolution for playback of 8K R3D files but the image quality would still look awesome.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100...”

we know already, how could we not – you’ve posted it on every thread in the last couple weeks.

Please stop trying to turn everything into a PC/MAC debate. People in the market for an Imac Pro at 5,000+ are clearly not looking for a 1200 gaming PC whether it can outperform the IMACP or not.

[Neil Goodman]

Any thing in the update that we didn’t know about already?

[Neil Goodman]

I want! But I just got a maxed out IMac last year and it still over exceeds my needs currently and for the foreseeable future. I’ll probaly end up waiting for the second or third refresh. Thing is sexy tho

[Neil Goodman]

[andy patterson] “Having said that could you please draw a few cartoons using the iMac screen and the Apple Pencil. If you cannot then I would hope you could easily see the advantage of the Surface Studio over an iMac for some users. This is not rocket science. As has been stated there will probably be a Surface Studio 2 in another 8 or 9 months with much better specs. “

Im not sure what the debate is here.. I think you’re debating with yourself. Did anyone bring this up besides you? These are two different machine’s – one has a touch screen, one does not. How are they comparable at all?

[Neil Goodman]

This thread just makes me want to buy large quantities of alcohol for all my past present and future assist, coordinators and finish teams. Ive been very fortunate to work with great support teams as I would be very very bad at doing all this kind of stuff.

[Neil Goodman]

Looks really good.

Been pretty stoked on the picture quality with mine so far but haven’t really tested the video

[Neil Goodman]

[Robin S. Kurz] “Such as Neistat, Marques Brownlee any many many more making millions with as many subscribers. Go figure. Are THEY “editors” or do the live up to everyone’s so distinct idea of “PRO”?
“

Id say those guys are Pro because they’re making money. That’s why I specifically said the v logger with 20 subscribers.
not millions.

[Robin S. Kurz] ”
Either way I’d say anyone actually putting more relevance and value into what feature A, B or C Hollywood edited on and none into these “just some YT vloggers” is making a huge mistake in terms of relevance for the global market in the long term and might want to rethink his use of such a high horse. ????”

Again , completely missing the point as usual. I simply stated that there are without a doubt a lot of people who buy editing software that never wind up making money off of editing, and those people are counted as “seats”. Not sure how that turns into the relavance of hollywood workflows going forward but keeping beating that horse buddy.