[Mitch Ives]

Nice list Charlie. I do feel compelled to tell you that you should give up on round-tripping to Motion. Everyone has asked for that… if we were going to get that, we’d had it by now…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

Overall, it’s a bit snappier. I still see delays sometimes where it seems to need time to catch up to what I’ve selected or where I’ve clicked to move the playback position. Considering I have a maxed out 8-core nMP that is still a bit surprising. WF redraw does seem improved.

I have seen a small bug, where when separating audio from video the waveforms don’t appear until I either zoom in or zoom out the timeline. Not a deal breaker, just don’t remember seeing that before…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

Noah and Darren pretty much covered it. The eight usually makes the most sense… get the D700’s… and 64GB helps overall since we tend to use multiple programs. The SSD choice is a personal one. I have the larger one and put frequently used things on it.

Of course if you don’t get a decent array, as Lance pointed out, you’ll lose out on performance. I have a TB2 that gives me 950 on the read and write… makes a big difference

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Bill Davis] “If Photos simply follows the most current public Apple software model, then in about 4 years, Photos will likely be at the top echelons of the pro community and letting high end pro photogs save buckets of time.”

Four years is a lifetime in this business. So, you’ll be using Lightroom for 4 years then, while you wait for something useful in Photos? I guess we all have no choice.

It’s version 1 product, but I’m not impressed with it I suppose it’s a good replacement for iPhoto, if you don’t mind having the whole world revolve around iCloud?

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

Dennis… LOL.

You question my use of the word petulant, but then close your post with “Hopefully, this clears up any misunderstanding for the folks on the forum.” That presupposes that I’m wrong and you’ve just corrected things. Jeez, that’s not petulant… or arrogant. 🙂

Your explanation makes sense to me and it’s the spin that was commonly handed out after the mushroom cloud hovered over Adobe headquarters. There’s just two little things that counter that:

1) When this happened, I contacted Adobe and made my thoughts known in detail. The entry level person I talked to couldn’t really do anything other than look me up in the database. They were pleasant as always, as was I… just firm in my points and my level of unhappiness. I made it clear that I felt I could no longer count on them and that I felt the need to find alternatives to all their products, not just Premiere. After all, what if they discontinued Mac Photoshop and Illustrator next month? So, no, I wouldn’t be buying any further CS versions.

A couple a days later Adobe calls me (I didn’t call them). This person is higher up… goes on to tell me that they see how many copies of their software I have and more to the point I’ve had them all since version 1.0… some since 0.8 Beta. Apparently this changed things. Anyway we hash things out a bit… I listen… he listens, then he escalates me up the food chain.

Now I’m talking to some executive type and while I don’t know why he cares, we go all through this again. I explain how I’ve paying Adobe forever, including those lucrative license fees for Postscript on the early LaserWriters (day one). At one point the conversation gets candid and he tells me straight out that they screwed up. I said wow, that’s refreshing. I ask him if they’re ticked at Apple and we discuss it. He tells me that they’ve been getting hammered with phone calls and emails and that from a PR perspective this is a nightmare. He used some colloquialism like “beaten like a rented mule” or something. I don’t remember the exact phrase, I just remember that it was very funny and he had a sense of humor.

He tells me that they are too far behind on development for the Mac version at this point (as you said) but that it didn’t have to be that way… they made some bad choices. He tells me that there will be new Mac version coming, he just can’t say when because they have a lot of catching up to do (another of your points).

Now all of this could be charted off to some hallucination on my part, except for point number two.

2) Not too much later, some senior Adobe person gets on stage at NAB (or the SuperMeet), I can’t recall because it was already old news to me… and basically says the same thing. He used the words “we screwed up”. He says “we heard you and we’re going to fix it, so you can stop calling and emailing”. Wow, Deja Vu all over again.

So while your story has some factual occurrences sprinkled throughout, it leaves out the backstory, which is precisely the point I made… that you seemed to feel needed correcting. Adobe got their panties in a twist (his words) and made some bad decisions. The word some mistakes struck me, as I was only thinking of one.

Now, I’m sure Apple isn’t innocent in all this. The whole change in development code hosed a lot of people, but the others kept developing. Whether Adobe was just too strung out to keep up or was pissed off, I can’t say. But the point is that they made a conscious decision to do it.

Dennis, Adobe has a right to do any damn thing they please. They’re a private sector company. And as far as screwing up goes, I think we’ve probably all done that a time or two. The thing is that they listened, and when they got hammered they did something about it. And in the end, that’s what counts… that and the fact that I bet they never make that same mistake again…

Either way, you’re in the hunt now and right at the front of the pack, so anything can change…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Oliver Peters] “[Aindreas Gallagher] “Adobe were, actually, incredible dicks to apple back when they thought they could be.”

Well, I’ve heard both sides of those stories and at best it’s a draw.”

It’s not often that my opinion differs from yours Oliver, but from a user prospective what Adobe did to us Mac users when they were in their “petulant child” phase was far worse than anything Apple has ever tried. Apple may eclipse them in the future, but as of today, I’d put Adobe in the lead for winning the “we didn’t appreciate our customers and shot ourselves in the foot” award for shafting Mac users.

Like many of us, I was at NAB that year when there wasn’t a single Mac in the entire booth. I located what was the apparent highest ranking person and challenged this. Apparently I wasn’t alone as their answer was defensive… there’s a Mac there. That was a personal laptop belonging to one of the presenters, not an official booth computer. Right then we knew something bad was coming.

I’d place that decision by Adobe right up there with the world’s poorest thought out decisions. To their credit, it eventually became obvious that “NO”, we weren’t going to switch platforms just because they were having a tizzy. They eventually reversed their decision with a bit of political spin that would make a politician blush, but from that point on Adobe became a second tier player for many years.

It’s nice to see them back up front where they could have been all along, though one could argue that the subscription model is the second act in that same stage play…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[James Ewart] “[Mitch Ives] ” “No matter how many times I use the app, I must consciously read, think about and decide when I am creating a Library, or a Project or an Event. And given the way I work, I find that I must have an “Event” in every “Library” called “Edits” which contains all of my “Projects” for that Library. My head spins just trying to type that sentence!””

Same with Project, Bin, Sequence no?

Pus scratch disks, audio/video preferences.

I mean which is easier to remember to do?”

Actually, I didn’t say that. That was someone else statement. My comment was “I can relate”.

I stand by it. I think Apple could have done better. I also think that since so many other people have agreed, that it’s being fairly universally felt.

Was it necessary to change the terminology… no. Is it the end of the world… no. Would I like something that makes more sense… yes. Am I losing sleep over it… no.

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Douglas K. Dempsey] “No matter how many times I use the app, I must consciously read, think about and decide when I am creating a Library, or a Project or an Event. And given the way I work, I find that I must have an “Event” in every “Library” called “Edits” which contains all of my “Projects” for that Library. My head spins just trying to type that sentence!”

I can relate…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Walter Soyka] “Performance is a creative feature. “Works like it’s supposed to” doesn’t look great on the tin, but this is exactly the kind of development that everyday users need. I’m glad to see this happening in CC, and I’m glad to see it happening here.”

well said…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Charlie Austin] “The debate is really whether they’re doing it quickly enough, or succeeding at all.”

I think the succeeding part is sort of a given. Whether they’re doing it quick enough, I think a lot of people think they aren’t. Let’s face it, Apple has a lot of irons in the fire… Adobe is less distracted…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill