Mitch Ives
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Yes, we will. I will say that with a release of current Kona drivers, in the very bottom of the release notes, they say that all Kona cards are now “Thunderbolt aware”. So, there’s some real context.”
What exactly do you think that means? Not challenging, just asking. Do you think it means they will recognize a TB RAID… that it was designed to be in a card cage? I’m talking to a lot of people and nobody knows what they means. Maybe you do?
[Jeremy Garchow] You mean like 400 or 800 mbsit/sec firewire? You do understand the Thunderbolt is a PCIe protocol, correct? This isn’t firewire anymore, it is spec’d @ 10Gb/sec.
Of course I do. Do we need to be insulting?
[Jeremy Garchow] I cannot take my K3 on set, but I can my ioHD or Express. Have you worked with an ioExpress that runs on PCIe? Do you find it “bottlenecks”? Contextually, I would be able to being a K3 on set and run it from a MacBook Pro in a thunderbolt cage. I have no idea if this is going to work or not, but again, I have higher hopes than “Apple is going to force us to buy a thunderbolt display”. If that’s the case, they really don’t want us. That’s fine, I’ll move on.
Sure you could, and yes I have. I understand your point, and I agree with you on what your preference is and how important this is to Apple… you… me and others.
[Jeremy Garchow] To me, broadcast out is baseband video, not a Thunderbolt display. So far, Apple has set told us what’s coming with FCPX, and delivered on those prmoises. They wouldn’t say broadcast out if they meant a thunderbolt display setup to “broadcast colors”. I know that Apple has created a huge swath of uncertainty, but they haven’t lied quite yet.
You nailed it Jeremy on the baseband video comment. Hopefully the fact that we agree won’t be too disappointing for you. With regard to Apple, I’m keeping an open mind. “Early 2012” is a big opportunity for Apple. If the Multicam is killer and they actually provide baseband video to existing pro hardware, they will have a much larger fan base for FCPX.
[Jeremy Garchow] Have you taken a good look at the ioXT specs? It bests a Kona 3 in certain respects (but certainly not the Kona 3G). It does a lot of things in a very small package.
Yes, it’s an interesting product, but I still prefer the K3. Believe me, I’m not unfamiliar with the advantages of something more portable and versatile.
[Jeremy Garchow] That’s Gigabits. Firewire was megabits. Even if it’s 6 Gigabits, that’s a huge wad of data. It could certainly handle compressed 444 video and above.
Jeez, there you go again. I’ll wait and see if it handles 444… I’m too experienced to believe that specs and real world performance are the same thing. Remember, according to specs, the Bumble Bee lacks sufficient wing span to support flight.
[[Jeremy Garchow] OK, then we can all agree to wait and see what Apple means instead of saying we are all going to die?”
Who said that? My post started with “Nobody knows…”. Besides, you make it sound like we have a choice in terms of waiting. FWIW, I am waiting… I haven’t switched to Premiere or MC6. At the same time, I’m not drinking the Kool-Aid either…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com
http://www.insightproductions.com“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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Jeremy,
Let’s keep this in context, shall we? First, you talk about these expansion cages as though they exist. They do not, as of yet. Furthermore, please point out a single external card cage that has ever worked well? Yes, none of them have in the past. They were a complete PITA. Will the Thunderbolt version be better. Probably… but we’ll have to wait and see what tradeoffs are involved, won’t we?
As for the Io, I’ve had them since the beginning (version 1). They are a nice device but have had issues maintaining continuous connections and can suffer from IO bottlenecks. None of this has occurred with the card based products. Show me one person who prefers any IO product over a Kona3, and I’ll show you someone that doesn’t have a K3. K3’s are like anvils… you can pound on them all day without any issues. Premiere had the good sense to realize that and so has Avid. The one thing Apple had as an exclusive is now gone. The real question is will they even be able to match Premiere and MC6 and support one. Personally, I think it would be a brilliant stroke of genius if FCPX supported the K3 inside the machine. That would take care of the whole “Broadcast Monitoring” issue wouldn’t it? I’d bet that a whole raft of people would convert to FCPX if that happened.
Does this mean I don’t like the Thunderbolt concept. Not at all. A laptop with an external TB device would be handy, but that doesn’t mean that it’ll be superior, does it?
TB is like firewire. The theoretical spec and they real world performance don’t match. TB says up to 10… so far it’s 6 realistically. I try to keep a big picture view. The DisplayPort guys are screaming that DisplayPort had a throughput of 20, and are unhappy to see TB throttle them to 10. The truth is, we haven’t had a chance to see what performance issues exist when there is a display (or multiple displays), an IoXT, and a RAID all attached at once. Will things continue at full speed or slow down like every other daisy-chain technology? Yes it’s all exciting, but we operate in the real world, not the theoretical world don’t we… so a healthy wait and see attitude is probably a well advised choice.
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com
http://www.insightproductions.com“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Paul Dickin] “Why do I keep getting this sinking feeling that what Apple means by ‘broadcast monitoring’ may not be at all what people in this forum mean by the words…?”
While no one knows, I have the sinking feeling that there is an element of truth to what you suspect. Most people I talk to are expecting to be able to get the signal out through existing hardware like K3’s DeckLink, etc. What I’m afraid of is that their definition of “Broadcast Monitoring” will be through Thunderbolt only, and that will require everyone to buy dumbed down hardware in order to use it…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com
http://www.insightproductions.com“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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If you don’t find something that works like you want it to, try Lock N Load. I find it still works better than the built-in tools in FCPX…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com
http://www.insightproductions.com“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Oliver Peters] “[Bill Davis] “Part of that Gretzky/Jobsian tradition of skating to where the puck will be”
Or you can just pick up and throw the puck into the corner that it wouldn’t have otherwise gone to ;-)”
LOL… made me laugh… though I’m sure there are some that will be offended by your clever analysis…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com
http://www.insightproductions.com“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Tom Wolsky] “Actually it’s the other way around in HD. 1920×1080 is square pixels; 1440×1080 uses a squeezed pixel aspect ratio.”
Hi Tom… thanks for correcting that… not sure what I was thinking when I was typing that… I probably wasn’t, hence the mistake…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com
http://www.insightproductions.com“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Craig Seeman] “Most of the plugin developers and nearly all the video card developers that supported FCP legacy have either publicly stated they will support or are already supporting FCPX. Davinci Resolve and CatDV already support its XML for example. AJA is supporting Tape I/O. And all this despite FCPX is still very much “incomplete” in its implementation.”
I’m not sure where you’re getting that. Isn’t VTR Exchange standalone, not in FCPX? That’s how AJA demoed it last week… nothing from within FCPX. All this future support is speculative. Red Giant had to lower expectations and extend timelines to “unknown”. Resolve appears to be using duct tape and bailing wire… as I understand it it’s more of a technology experiment than a solid solution at this point. The fact that FCPX uses a “unique to the universe” version of XML isn’t helping.
Will everybody eventually work with FCPX. I’d like to think so, but the truth is I don’t know… and neither does anybody else. It’s all up to Apple. Will FCPX be extensible, or did they paint themselves into a corner with all this revolutionary stuff? Time will tell. I’m rooting for total openness to 3rd party solutions… which require a big change by Apple and some serious reworking of the GUI…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com
http://www.insightproductions.com“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Andrew Richards] “I still like Philip Hodgetts’ hypothesis, that FCP7 was going to be the 64-bit FCP, but that had to be scrapped when Apple did a 180 on 64-bit Carbon back in 2007 prior to releasing Leopard. “
I’ve thought that all along. The abrupt canceling of 64 bit Carbon caught Adobe by surprise and resulted in a long delay before 64 bit CS finally arrived on the Mac… after Adobe had to start over and redo everything in Cocoa. Given Apple’s secretive approach and lack of communication, it isn’t hard to see the FCP team (a small and largely ignored group) getting caught in the same way.
When this announcement was made, I predicted that this was going to delay any meaningful updates to FCP. I sure would have liked to have been wrong on that one…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com
http://www.insightproductions.com“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Matt Stevenson] “And yes, it does shoot in 1440×1080. QuickTime and FCP play it back as 1920×1080 by stretching the width out using the Pixel Aspect Ratio that’s embedded in the file.”
That’s common. Some HDV and the vast majority of AVCHD cameras shoot 1440×1080. This is the square pixel equivalent to the rectangular pixel 1920×1080… same thing.
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com
http://www.insightproductions.com“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Frank Gothmann] “And what’s the advantage of all that?
You get an iMac for 2.000 dollars. Then a TB Raid enclosure for 6 drives that will set you back another 1.800 (the same amount of drives you can easily fit into a proper modern workstation), two TB expansion chassis to have 4 pci slots (running at a 25 per cent speed), another box for video io and another one for dual-link ethernet. And possibly another one for…”I was wondering about the display cards. The release of FCPX had tower owners out buying new display cards for compatibility. Can you swap display cards in an iMac these days… didn’t use to be able to, which meant scrapping the entire iMac. That would be a rather expensive difference between an iMac and a tower?
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com
http://www.insightproductions.com“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill