Luis Caffesse
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[Derek Antonio Serra] “Sure no cheap HDD will slot in and work like a P2.”
Possibly not Derek, but I’m sure there will be alternatives to P2 for those who want it (much like you can use a firestore on an XL2 right now, HDD on JVC, etc).
The markup on the P2 cards is factored into the profit from peripherals which are necessary to operate the camera. Maximising profit is why companies are in business – Pannie may take a hit on the actual camera to appear competetive but will make it up on the cards
I think people are underestimating how much the price of P2 cards will drop once this camera is available.
The price of P2 today is not the issue, it’s the price of P2 when the camera is released that is the issue.
And, as we’ve mentioned here before, a year ago DVCProHD/24P for under 10,000 seemed like a fantasy. Things are moving faster than ever, and the pricing on all products in the future will refelct that I think.
Luis Caffesse
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[PappasArts] “they are no bigger than PCMCIA cards, and can use the same connectors to link up to devices.”
While the idea is really cool Micheal, it’s still unclear whether or not these drives would actually work in the P2 slots of an HVX200 – and if I had to guess I would say they probably won’t (just a hunch).
At least we’re down to less than 2 weeks of waiting now.
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[Paul] “I worry that just like the Beta, quility will not win out in this war for the “lower” end HD market…..”
I think that might be less of a danger in this scenario, for a few reasons.
First off, we’re definitely out the pure consumer market. These cameras will be priced high enough that the majority of those buying them are doing so to make a living (I think). When something is a business investment, as opposed to a personal luxury, I think people tend to take a closer look and educate themselves a bit more. Most people who would consider buying a $5,000+ camera probably know a bit about the video technology behind it (or am I giving most people too much credit?).When you sit down and look at the technology, to me there is no question which is superior. I think most of those who may go with HDV will do so strictly based on recording time or an inability to get away from tape. I seriously doubt anyone will look at both formats and seriously decide they think that HDV is a ‘better’ format – instead they will say, ‘well, I need the long recording time so I guess I have to settle for HDV.’
(or am I not giving HDV enough respect here?)The other reason I think we don’t need to worry about which will win out is just the natural progression of where technology is going. Whether or not people today choose HDV or DVCProHD will have little impact on the future of video. Processing power is increasing, and price is decreasing more and more every year. Storage is becoming cheaper and faster. The move to a more highly compressed format seems ridiculous. As technology advances, we will be able to work with less compressed formats with much more ease.
And, and this seems obvious, in the end tape will disapear.
I can imagine twenty years from now looking back and laughing about the fact that we marvelled at being able to record DVCProHD to a solid state memory card (and remember how expensive they were?). By then we will have all moved on to the next great format.
Luis Caffesse
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[bullpup] “They have to leave out options that will direct professionals, who know enough about the medium, to their higher end units or there would be no reason to purchase them”
I know we’re all cynical after years of handicapped cams…
but don’t forget that this camera already is missing options that would turn most professionals off who are serious about shoting DVCProHD, or DVCPro50.Namely, 1/3inch chips, fixed lens, and a ‘handycam’ type formfactor.
Anyone who is considering the purchase of a Varicam would not try to decide between the Varicam and the HVX. They may be deciding between an F900 and the Varicam. My guess is that those who will purchase the HVX are people who possibly rent the Varicam on a semiregular basis, or simply want to shoot DVCProHD but could never afford it.
I doubt this will affect Varicam sales much at all.
Just my 2 cents.
Luis Caffesse
Studio 3 Productions, Inc.
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[David Cherniack] “As Graeme points you’re correct
Yeah, he beat me to the punch.
I guess he posted while I was typing.He’s quick on the draw.
But how far away are blu-ray drives at reasonable prices? “
I think, much like the discussion about P2 cards, we’ll see the price of these drop quickly once the demand and availability it there.
Just like DVD-R drives were $5000 when first released, and we can now get one for under $200. It’s just a matter of time, and things are moving rather quickly.
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Studio 3 Productions, Inc.
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[David Cherniack] “I don’t think most producer types will be happy archiving by transcoding to mpeg2. Far more confortable staying in the native compression codec. “
David,
I think Graeme went that we could backup the native DVCProHD files to BluRay discs as data. Seeing as they hold over 20GB per disc, it could be pretty handy.
There would be no reason to transcode.
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[PappasArts] “Hi Luis! I have said it before in posts about the P2.”
It was a joke….
albeit a really bad one…but a joke none the less.
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[PappasArts] “I have said ” death to tape ” more then once. Jan can back that up, I believe. “
Of course the debate now Micheal is what would she back that up with?
DVD, BluRay, Hard Drive, Tape?
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[mishka] “Don’t worry. The whole job will take roughly the same amount of time. An editor has to be familiar with the material to work fast. “
That’s an important point and one that I was disucussing with a fellow editor just the other day. Now that we are moving completely out of the ‘linear’ world, I think it will take a bit more dicipline on the editors part.
Right now it’s easy to familiarize yourself with the footage while logging and capturing. I usually use that time to start making some detailed notes, etc. However, once we can just attach a drive and have random access to all the footage, it will take a bit of an adjustment.
This isn’t a bad thing, obviously if an editor is worth his salt, and serious about his work, he’ll do what’s required to do the best job possible. And that includes familiarizing himself with the material. Of course, I still think that’s possible without spending the same amount of time you would logging and capturing.
As far as the 16mm analogy, I realize you just threw it out as an example…I kind of took it and ran with it. I think we’re both on the same page, and now this thread is getting way off topic.
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Luis Caffesse
Studio 3 Productions, Inc.
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[Guy Barwood] “Look at the integration level of the JVC HDD unit on the GY-DV5000 and 5100. You get viewfinder status display etc”
Okay, I’ve never used the 5000 or the 5100.
I didn’t realize you were getting the same data that would normally be on the tape.Yeah, I can see where that would be useful.
Luis Caffesse
Studio 3 Productions, Inc.
Austin, Texas