Kelly Johnson
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Thanks to all of you…perfect solutions…kj
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Well, it sounds more like a ‘fixed idea’ rather than some “golden rule.”
Most of the time, the outside margins of a book have more space…ie the copy comes in to allow for numerous reasons but the historical reason was wear and tear.
The edges of pages would inevitably get thumbed, folded and such the most..hard covers could only provide so much protection. So, by increasing the margins, the content had a little more room to ‘weather the book’ and such.
As for posters, I can offer that the worlds foremost designers throughout time have not adhered to any such rule.
What she may have meant, was the western tradition of shorter line lengths when adding larger amounts of copy. Since we read from right to left, a wider right margin provides a quicker return.
But again, that’s only when we’re talking about too much copy for a poster anyway.
The “rule of thirds” is different and really just an organzing method no better or worse than any grid layout.
When I was in school, to suggest that such a rule determines the creative and design/layout of a poster would have led to public hanging and retiring of all my tools of the time… xacto knife, harbor rule, french curves, pantone books etc.
Don’t sweat it. The aesthetics of design are more important; the formal aspects of design (balance, composition, harmony etc) have been proven since only about 2000 bc! Even the earliest know civilization of catal hyuk (don’t remember the correct spelling) practiced balancing and composition even if not as successfully as the early and high rennaissance.
Wider to the right? If the design so deems it. Or, only if the printer is terrible at trimming and you know which way the press sheet is running!
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No worries…I meant in Illustrator to use Expand feature. But, I opened your files and saw what you meant.
I saw the marks in Illustrator as well as InDesignCS. I raterized the Illustrator file and the lines dissappeared.
Unless you have to have a vector file, I’d just rasterize the Illustrator file for placement in Illustrator and save the vector for any edits.
However, if you need to have vector placed, I’d just make gradients to emulate the extrusion. It will be a less complicated eps file and InDesign shouldn’t choke on the interpretation.
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Usually won’t translate. Try expanding everything first.
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From the sounds of your work flow, I would guess not.
That’s just what happens usually. We do some magazines and it’s a jig-saw puzzle everytime. Just when everything is fitting, in comes a new quarter page ad and we have to rearrange a few pages to get it in.
But, if you are editing by chapters, hopefully you are using Style Sheets and you can restyle the copy quickly.
There is an Adobe Cue and a Copy plug-in that could help, but at this stage, avoiding the learning curve and such, it’s probably easier to just reflow the edited copy.
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What a great idea… we did the Latin Grammy Award Show book, Grammy invites and are now working on the Grammy Winners Book cover.
We also do the publications for the LAPD, the LA Sheriff’s Relief Fund and the United Teachers of Los Angeles. There have been some ‘moments’ for each.
In the throes of an ad for a divorce attorney for a highly produced mag here in LA that also runs in New York.
How about yourself?
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Those pdf’s will have to reside somewhere, unless you email them. A lot of marketing copy speaks in different circles about “web review” when sometimes it just means emailing a content editable enabled pdf or, posting the same on a server and emailing team members the link to download or view them in a browser.
I’ll have a look at the Version Cue and see if there’s something else I can find.
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Wow, well as you might guess, when it comes to Photoshop, there are usually eight ways to do any one thing!Really comes down to exact effect and personal preferences.
But, try this tutorial for starters:
https://www.cameronmoll.com/archives/000024.htmlThat might help get what you want with the tools you specified.
As for placing back into InDesign once you’re done, any graphic format can be placed into InDesign. Eps or tiff are the most common.
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Not sure why you can’t use Illustrator. Being vecor, the frames are easily resized.
But, how about alotting one hour to create as many frames as you can (two versions 1 hor and 1 vert of a half-page or 1/4 size) in Illustator, expand/turn to outlines all elements then select all copy and paste into a new InDesign document and then save that InDesign doc as a Library.
Then, that can be opened and you can pull whatever frame you’ve already created.
I’ll look into manipulating the defaults.
We do four monthly pubs and on is chock-full (unfortunately !) of client-created ad with terrible borders. We normally crop those out and keep all borders basic and clean to help unify the cacophony of a “Rodeo Circus” amongst horrendous bright yellow, red and cyan ‘spot’ color ads.
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That’s a great find!