Jared Lorenz
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You’re right.
It’s now confirmed with all parties that the deck was throwing errors. No matter what signal we sent it, it saw a 59.94 reference signal. VITC and LTC would not match and the timecode striped to tape, even though it was set to 23.98, was being seen by FCP as 29.97, hence the inability to enter a timecode accurately.
Deck went back, now we’re waiting for a replacement.
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It’s now confirmed with all parties that the deck was throwing errors. No matter what signal we sent it, it saw a 59.94 reference signal. VITC and LTC would not match and the timecode striped to tape, even though it was set to 23.98, was being seen by FCP as 29.97, hence the inability to enter a timecode accurately.
Whoever said it was the sync generator was pretty close. It was the sync gen in the deck.
Deck went back, now we’re waiting for a replacement. FCP is behaving again.
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Yes, but the dilemma is of course that the deck is not laying down matching LTC and VITC, even though it is set up to do it.
Apple tells me that FCP will not let me enter the timecode accurately if they don’t match (although I am not sure why that would be). Aja has this white paper with settings which we are following:
https://www.aja.com/pdf/support/AJA_whitepaper_sony_f500.pdfSony has now confirmed this is either a setting issue on the deck or a faulty deck.
In spite of what they say, I will have to see to believe that fixing the deck issue fixes the timecode issue in final cut. Testing another set of settings from the Sony rep now.
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I am just posting this in hopes of someone coming up with a solution.
Again here is the config (revised slightly from yesterday).
FCP6 / OS 10.5 Mac Pro 8core2.8ghz
Aja IO HD w/ latest drivers
Tri level sync set across the board to 23.98 sf
AJA IO HD set to 1080psf2398
Ext video and ETT settings 1080psf23.98
Device control set to RS422 (sony) 23.98 fps
F500 deck set to 23.98psf, LTC timecode with VITC set to follow LTC
rental house has confirmed deck settings are OK.The problem is that when I go to black and code from final cut I cannot enter the timecode at 58:00:00 – it replaces that code with 46:26:24. Same case for the in point on edit to tape. Whatever timecode I enter is translated into a junk timecode.
Going to cross-post on the IO forum since I am sure someone there has done this before. Help.
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What kills me is that I’VE DONE IT TOO. Obviously I did something different.
Deck gods, may ye smile on me tomorrrow.
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Me too.
Ever fix it?
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Here is the update as of 8:20pm.
This is a documented issue with 23.976 frame rates and FCP:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=10157610What isn’t documented is how to get it to work. People have suggested setting up a new Easy Setup with deck control and so on all set the way you want them. Done. Still no go. I have switched over to the Aja IO now, and as documented above, same issue.
Surely SOMEONE on this forum must lay off 23.98 material to tape on a F500 deck. If so, may that someone help me, please.
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Here is something else interesting.
The MXO2 doesn’t come with a 23.98 deck control preset. I’m going to hop over to the Matrox forum and see if that has something to do with it. Maybe it’s just not supported.
Still doesn’t explain the mismatched timecode on the deck, but that’s a whole other issue.
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See my response to Shane above with relevant deck settings.
Jared
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I have seen that too and in this case everything matches (easy setup, deck control, etc).
So here’s an interesting set of facts – perhaps related.
The deck panel displays timecode as 24 frame timecode.
FCP is set up for Deck control 23.98 Sony RS422
However when I use deck control to jog/shuttle through the tape via FCP, the timecode display in final cut is giving me 29.97 timecode.
The panel reads 58:02:08; Final Cut ETT window reads 58:05:26Timecode convert in the deck is set to OFF
Timecode read is set to OFF TAPEI pray to the deck gods to send me an answer.