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[Julian Bowman] ” I already have 2 external drives (one for my internal raid drives and the other my launch drive, “

Just as a matter of curiosity, you have a current mac pro and you boot from external drives? Why?

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[Marcus Moore] “the MacPro is technically ahead at about $300 above his parts list.”

While I think the Tube is a good deal financially what you are not getting for the money is flexibility. You cannot choose GPU’s, you cannot have PCIe, you cannot have multiple CPUs. What you can have is the illusion of excellent energy efficiency and sound reduction, because Apple has outsourced most of the elements that suck up power and increase noise. Of course once you start adding external DVD recorders, hard drives and PCIe expansion cases, the power requirements and sound go back up. As long as you are completely satisfied with exactly what the Tube offers without any Thunderbolt expansion it’s a smart choice.

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Zebra Productions
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[Rick Lang] ” I found the corresponding Intel Xeon E5 chips for each model except for the 3.0GHz 8-core.

4-core: E5-1620 v2 1-socket 3.7GHz cache 10MB power 130W
6-core: ES-1650 v2 1-socket 3.5GHz cache 12MB power 130W
12-core: E5-2697 v2 2-socket 2.7GHz cache 30MB power 130W
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Their is an equivalent Dell work station, the T3600 with the 6 core E5-1650, Dual firepro w5000 GPu, 16 Gigs 1600MHz Ram, 256 Gig SSD with 1 Terr Hard Drive. I’m sure it is not as power efficient, as quiet or as small, and it is loaded with PCIe instead of Tbolt 2, which in my case is a big plus. Cost is $3467. At $4000 the Tube, with it’s much faster boot drive and higher memory speed, is price competitive.

I’m sure their is an HP equivalent as well.

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Zebra Productions
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“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

[Steve Connor] “3D was never going to work in Broadcast.”

While you and I might agree on that subject, if you go back 3 years or so on these forums you would find many many well informed folks who thought otherwise. Tim Wilson for one. Those folk were the “people” in that case.

I don’t think 4K is an exact replication of that phenomenon because 4K has some absolute benefits in production; over sampling almost always does. I see places where I might selectively use it next year, the way I used to shoot title elements in 35mm for 16mm productions 40 years ago because the oversampling negated the generation loss in creating titles. But just like back then, I don’t see many long form shows that will accept the budget increases to over sample an entire production.

[Steve Connor] “Nice thought, never going to happen.”

The story of my life.

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Zebra Productions
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“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

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[Aindreas Gallagher] ” the fact that 4K is a boondoggle dreamt up by hardware manufacturers with a very dubious logic attached.”

Thanks for the link, Phil nailed it perfectly.

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Zebra Productions
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“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

[Steve Connor] “People said the same about HD”

And they said they same about 3D. So I guess sometimes people are right and sometimes people are wrong. My suggestion is to argue the merits and not worry so much about what “people” say.

In this case I believe the argument is clear – while oversampling is a bonus in production, it’s cost in terms of storage and new equipment can outweigh it’s benefits, especially in long form work.

4K as a native viewer or distribution medium is at least 5 years away from making any sort of appreciable inroad and is highly questionable in terms of it’s benefits in normal viewer situations.

Hodgett’s argument that a saner use of any extended future bandwidth increases would be in larger bit depth is totally on the mark, both in terms of post production and the home viewing experience.

In other words, before we go to 4k, how about going to HD 12 bit 444 for production and 10 bit for distribution, where a viewer could actually see the difference on any size screen.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush]

[Jeremy Garchow] “There’s no way in hell you are going to stop and, pick up the camera and move it 10 feet forward, and then have to move the lights/equipment, or change to a longer lens, and say “Ok, once more with feeling”.”

What you need is an old Bolex turret mount where you can have 3 primes available at all times. I believe the digital/bolex guys will be adding this as a feature, if they ever release the camera.

https://www.digitalbolex.com/store/

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush]

[Jeremy Garchow] “Ah, you beat me to it.”

Age before beauty.

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Zebra Productions
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“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

[Steve Connor] “Where we work cost is the biggest issue!”

Where everyone works it’s always cost vs quality. Cost is concrete, quality is ethereal and the accountant usually wins. If I had a single camera single subject interview I would opt for 4K if I could afford it. Sometimes it’s cheaper to shoot the interview twice with a cheaper camera. My aesthetic is simple enough, I need to see both eyes of my subject, which is why a single camera two man interview with punch ins would never work for me.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

[Jeremy Garchow] “So on interviews, you are going to ask them to do it exactly like that again after you stop and change lenses to get the close up?”

Well yes, this is generally how it was done for the last half century or so. But much better is to have multiple cameras. The only good application for the single camera over sampled technique is interviews where the talent is speaking directly to the camera, not the interviewer. You can zoom where you want for emphasis after editing for content, you can occasionally mask a jump cut by switching frame size. Previously to achieve the same result you could use 2 cameras at 90 degree angles to each other shooting thru a 50% partially silvered mirror, but that’s a clumsy set up and not many know the technique. But for any other type of interview over sampling comes in a way distant second to multiple cameras in any aspect other than cost – for a 2 person interview I’d rather shoot with 3 iPhones than one 4k camera.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf