[David Frisk]

Ah, I understand. Thanks very much. Although I don’t see what’s wrong with the way you adjust the curves in AE. Maybe it’s just because I’ve never got to experience any other way.

[David Frisk]

Yea, I knew it couldn’t interpolate new fields from the footage, and I just figured it was that way for anything, even with animation created during the render. I should have known better though. Thanks guys, appreciate it.

[David Frisk]

Thank you very much Steve. I definitely get it now. I didn’t realize that upon render that AE would still interpolate my footage if need be. That definitely would make a difference, huh? Such a smart program that AE is 🙂

Anyway, thanks again, and thank you to everyone who tried to explain it to me the first time around. You guys are awesome!

[David Frisk]

I still don’t think it’s being understood what I’m asking.

Okay, In after effects I have just a circle that I created in AE that I’m going to have move around the screen. It’s a 30fps project. I’m going to export this, put it into avid, and export it onto a regular old 30i (or 60i, however you want to say it) tape. So I’m starting with 30 full frame pictures. Nothing more, nothing less.

Doing either of these will give the exact same result…

1. I render out of AE WITH fields. It takes my first frame and doubles it. It takes my second frame and doubles it. Etc. I now have 60 frames, with every two frames being the same. I take that into avid and output it onto a VHS tape or DV tape or something comparible. The tape now has 60 fields per second. But every 2 fields are the exact same (except one is upper and one is lower)…field 1 is derived from frame 1 and field 2 is derived from frame 2…but since frame 1 and 2 are the same, it’s like they were derived from the exact same frame.

2. I render out of AE WITHOUT fields. I import it into avid to export out onto VHS, DV, etc. That means that avid then has to make fields for me to put to tape. But the thing is, it does the exact same thing as AE. It will make field 1 from frame 1 and field 2 from frame 1. Again, now we have both fields being derived from the exact same picture, which is exactly what after effects does when they double the frame rate.

So as you see in both cases you end up with 60 total fields and in both cases the fields will end up exactly the same. In both cases the first “picture” is used to get both field 1 and field 2, “picture two” (frame 2) is used to get both field 3 and field 4, frame 3 is used to get both field 5 and 6, etc.

Again, remember that this isn’t camera footage I’m talking about…there was never footage that started with 60 different points in time. It was a 30 frame AE composition. So this is the case in which I ask why does it matter whether AE renders out the frames or Avid does it, because they both will end up outputting the exact same 60 fields…

[David Frisk]

I mean I always see people on here saying to render with fields if it’s going to go to video, which is what I don’t understand, because it will automatically get converted to fields during output anyway. That’s why I don’t see why it matters if you render it out of AE with fields or not.

Maybe I’m not explaining correctly. I understand that when you capture video at 30i, it actually captures 60 different points in time…each field is from a different “picture”. But when you’re creating stuff in AE (and not using any video) that you’re eventually going to put into avid, why render with fields? What is the benefit since rendering to fields will just create two seperate fields taken from the exact same frame instead of from a different “picture”? Because if you don’t field render, and you output to tape, won’t outputting to tape do that exact same process of taking each of the 30 AE frames and separating them into 2 fields?

[David Frisk]

But if you make all of your graphics in after effects, and you make it at 30fps, then where would it get those 60 different points in time? Wouldn’t it only have 30 points in time (since it’s 30fps) and just split each of those in half…therefore having field 1 and field 2 of each frame be the same point in time?

[David Frisk]

I think it’s funny that you can’t see why the people on here are considered professionals in AE because they can’t answer your two simple little questions. Then I ask you this, how are they able to answer the literally thousands upon thousands of questions that get posted here? I guess if they don’t answer yours, they must know nothing, huh?

See, your problem is that you don’t know how things work here. People don’t bother answering questions here that have been answered many, many, many times before. I looked up your first post here, and it was one that has been answered on this very site numerous times. You complain about people giving you “lazy” answers, yet you seem to be the one too lazy to look through the archives here. Go ahead and actually look through some of these posts, and you’ll see that people often say the exact words, “look it up in the archives, as this has been answered numerous times.” People here aren’t so lazy as they are tired of people filling up the boards with the same questions over and over, as people would rather someone spoon feed them answers because they don’t want to take 10 minutes to do the searching.

It’s kind of weird the way you assume I know nothing about AE. Trust me, I know plenty. I by no means am an expert, and by no means claim to be. Do you see my name at the top of one of these pages? No. So why are you acting as though I’m claiming to be some huge professional…so you can act all high and mighty all you want, but it doesn’t bother me any. I’m just another guy here that surfs the boards and gets help when needed, and gives a little help when I can. So the fact that I don’t know what other “Shine” techniques there are doesn’t phase me a bit.

I don’t understand why you take this all personally, as though the people on here were ignoring just your posts on purpose or something. Guess what, not every single post on here gets answered. If someone isn’t around at the time to answer, or someone doesn’t know the answer, what do you expect to happen? I honestly would like to know what you think should happen. Should the answer just appear out of nowhere? And if you hung around here for more than your total of two posts, you would notice that when someone asks a question and it gets answered unsatisfactorily, the person usually thanks the person for taking the time to respond (gasp!) and then clarifies things a little more to what exactly they are looking for or lets them know that they need a little more info then what they were given. And guess what? 99% of the time the people here are more than willing to help further and try to come up with something else to help. Of course you wouldn’t know this because instead of trying to explain your case further, you get angry because you seem to have wasted all your precious times with the TWO whole posts you’ve posted before! You seem like a person with very little patience, which leads me to think that perhaps this isn’t even the program for you in the first place.

But whatever. I’m not really sure why you’re still here and responding to me since you didn’t plan on coming here anymore. The people here who are actually industry leaders and work on national tv spots and everything else aren’t educated on AE enough for you, so good luck with your information hunt. I hope the next person answers your question exactly the way you want it on the first try.

[David Frisk]

Do you think that maybe people haven’t helped you the whole two times you posted because you were asking the impossible, or at least asking for something that nobody on here could possibly figure out? I don’t think you understand the fact that sometimes a plug-in is REQUIRED. You can’t just pull stuff out of thin air. For all you know, you could be doing the equivalent of asking how to move an object from left to right across the screen without using keyframes or any position properties…you have to have certain things!!! If you can search the internet for hours and not find anything on the subject, doesn’t that clue you in to the fact that maybe what you’re looking for isn’t possible, or at least could be so incredibly complicated that it’s not worth the time, or that maybe nobody knows a possible way to do it? You shouldn’t expect that everyone on this site knows absolutely everything there is to know and can do anything you want them to just because you ask. Obviously the suggestion that was given was the best that could be done. You didn’t want to pay for an expensive plug-in, so a free plug-in was suggested that comes with AE.

And as for me being the “manner police” or whatever you want to call me, say what you will. I’m just saying that this place is very useful and when you need help that someone here could actually assist you with (as opposed to something that just might not be possible), you’re not going to get much help. If you don’t care because you don’t think this place will ever be useful, then I’d say the thousands of posts on here before yours say otherwise. These people aren’t getting paid by you or the site. Maybe if you were paying to post here and didn’t get any help, then you could be upset. But you seem to not realize that nobody on here owes you anything, and that they help if they can because they’re just nice people. If you’re going to get upset with every other post you make because someone can’t assist you, then perhaps you should take your “business” elsewhere.

[David Frisk]

Whoa, slow down there. He made a suggestion about using plug-ins that come with AE 6.5 Pro (which is what you said you had). How was he supposed to know you don’t have the discs and therefore not the plug-ins to accomplish it?

Secondly, sometimes in order to do something you just need to have a plug in for it, and there’s no way around it. If you’ve already spent a couple hours looking for this effect with no plug-in, that may hint to you that nobody’s got one made (or knows how to do it, or can’t be done). People here aren’t going to type up a 5 page tutorial for you, especially if they don’t know how or can’t accomplish something without a particular plug-in.

You’ll find this place is extremely useful and people here are incredibly nice to take the time to help out others…but you need to cut out the attitude or else you’ll find yourself getting no help at all when you need it.

[David Frisk]

If you have Trapcode’s Shine, then there’s a tutorial on this page that might get you the look you’re going for.

https://trapcode.com/products_shine.html

David