David Frisk
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“Come on, Chris – let the resentment go….give it chance! ”
“Why? I have an entire shop and workflow built around Final Cut Pro and it works. A few new features on Premiere is not going to sway someone like me to drop FCP and switch to Premiere.”
It was a suggestion for someone else to give it a chance, and you asked why. So I explained why someone else would give it a chance. You then went on to say you don’t need to give it a chance because of whatever reasons. So I merely pointed out that your reasons for not giving it a chance doesn’t necessarily coincide with everyone and therefore is no reason for someone else not to give it a chance…whether they’ve already got an established outfit or not.
I realize you don’t recommend Premiere…but like you said, you don’t use it. I respect the work you do, I love watching your tutorials when you make them (even though I don’t use the products), and I’m confident that you’re very good at the work you do. But just like I don’t recommend Quantel or Edius or any of the other editing tools I don’t touch., I don’t see how you recommending or not recommending Premiere carries any weight. I’m not saying you tell people not to use it, but your lack of recommendation probably doesn’t mean a whole lot when you don’t use it in the first place to be able to recommend it.
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Would someone enlighten me as to how this VR feature compares with Avid’s similar efforts at text-based editing?
With Avid, you have to supply the script first, and then it will match your clips to the script, but it doesn’t generate a script for you. I don’t use it at all, but from what I’ve heard, Avid’s scriptsync works extremely well.
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EDIT: Nevermind, I think we’ve argued (or “debated”) enough :)~
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I don’t see it as any different than when all the Avid people made the switch over to FCP. I’m in no way saying that a switch would be for everyone, or that everyone should do it or would want to do it. Walter just questioned why someone should consider looking at Premiere when they already have FCP set up. I just gave reasons as to why someone would.
And for what it’s worth, FCP and Premiere are incredibly close together as far as operating them. If you know FCP, picking up Premiere can be done in relatively no time, and vice versa. It’s not like someone going from FCP to Avid, or Premiere to Quantel, or anything of that nature. They’re the two most similar editors that I know of out of the bunch.
On a side note, at least Soundbooth is now multritrack. Meh, whatever 🙂
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But that is your particular case. Not everyone had Color or needs Color. And trust me when I say that having automatic duck is in no way the same as having a dynamically linked composition between Premiere, After Effects, Encore, and Soundbooth for that matter. Throw in Premiere’s new even-deeper integration with Photoshop or that fact that it has continuous rasterization of vector layers, and there’s a lot there to consider. Or what about if having the ability to do direct-to-disk recording would really be a timesaver? Again, maybe not for you personally, but maybe for someone else. I only bring this up because you act as though someone else shouldn’t give this whole package a look just because you wouldn’t or don’t find it useful. I’m saying that there’s plenty of reason for someone with a FCP shop to do it…they may find it useful in a way that you wouldn’t because maybe they have different needs or wants than you do. The same way someone like you finds Final Cut Studio useful to you, but I find a waste of many apps if I were to adopt it.
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Why? I have an entire shop and workflow built around Final Cut Pro and it works. A few new features on Premiere is not going to sway someone like me to drop FCP and switch to Premiere.
Maybe it won’t sway you specifically, but I can see it definitely swaying people like you, or at the very least get them considering something like this. Switching to Premiere would offer some people more than just working with a new editor that has a few bells and whistles added…with integration with other Adobe apps like AE and Photoshop that many, many editors use anyway, it could greatly help out their workflow, speed it up, and streamline it. That’s one reason I never really had the desire to switch over to FCP. It’s just a different editor, when I’m perfectly happy with Avid. The added tools in the suite would mean nothing to me. I tried learning some motion, but didn’t really care too much for it. I never needed a $25,000 coloring tool because I’m not a colorist and probably wouldn’t get a whole lot more out of it than I do with built in tools. I don’t need DVD studio pro because I find Encore gives me everything Studio Pro does, only more elegantly in the way it works with PS layers and whatnot (yes, I know, you don’t like Encore…). But the added suite of Adobe would indeed mean something to me. The ability to work more seamlessly with AE and Photoshop and Encore, which I already use ALL the time, and even Illustrator occasionaly, it adds more than just a simple editor program change.
Sure, you have an established workflow that works fine for you. But some people with an established workflow sometimes look to change for an even better workflow.
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Someone on the Adobe boards who was at IBC said that he spoke with one of the programmers for Premiere (or some Adobe guy) and that they did fix the titler.
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I’m sorry, as far as the keyboard shortcuts go, I can’t say I’m exactly sure what you’re talking about as I don’t work with Premiere all that often and don’t know the keyboard shortcuts.
As far as the whole part about why you would want the whole track selection layout that is now featured…I guess that’s more of a preference on how you work. I find most people that come from a Premiere/FCP upbringing like to click and drag whole clips to the timeline and pick which parts of the video they want from the timeline. I find most people who come from an Avid background work more in the way of loading a clip into the source monitor, making in and out points, and using the keyboard to splice-in/overwrite. (Although it doesn’t help that Apple decided to make those two keys, probably two of the most important keys, some asinine keyboard command like cmd-F11 or something weird like that if I’m not mistaken). With the track functionality the way it is in Avid and the way it seems Premiere has changed to, it makes it much easier and much more predictable to know which tracks are going to be shifted and which tracks are going to stay put. The way it is in Final Cut now and the way it was in Premiere, unless you locked a track, it was being shifted when you spliced-in (sorry, not sure what the FCP term is…ripple edit? insert edit?). Here you have more control. It’s just a much more logical approach to me, as I can get any result I want because I know exactly what’s going to happen at any given time.
If I had a sequence with video on v1 and audio on a1-4, and I had a new clip I wanted to use to overwrite a portion of v1, a1, and a2, and at the same time delete the audio on a3 and a4, it would be a two step process in FCP…overwrite v1, a1, and a2, and then delete a3, and a4. With the “Avid setup” you just activate V1, A1, and A2 on the source side with it patched to V1, A1, and A2 on the sequence side, but also activate A3 and A4 on the record side, which in essence will tell the timeline “okay, I also want to do something to these tracks”. It will look over at the record side and find nothing patched to it, so it will overwrite that “nothing” over whatever audio was on A3 and A4 into my timeline…therefore, deleting that section.
Sorry for the lengthy explanation. It’s kind of hard to explain unless you’re used to working that way I guess. As much as I despise working on Avid because of it’s completely outdated and idiotic way of dealing with effects, I still think no other editor even comes close to it for having the most refined EDITING interface and having the “fastest” interface. It does things the “right way” in my eyes. Many won’t agree I’m sure, but that’s my opinion. So it’s cool to see that Premiere has adopted that kind of workflow.
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I definitely like it better this way now. I’m used to it working like that in Avid, and I like having the control over which tracks move when I trim.
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Haha, that is very strange.
But you’re right, it is indeed there in the final version. Here’s some video I just came across that show it in there. One of them is even for the sync locks.
https://premierepro.wikia.com/wiki/Category:CS4
They also show up on the Premiere videos on the Adobe TV website.