Chris Harlan
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[Andrew Kimery] “Probably a difference between long form content, short form content and where people prefer to watch each.”
Undoubtedly that is the case. And, my files are generally for approval, so they are only going to a few people, and usually at their desks. At this point, though, when I receive a temp, I much prefer file over DVD.
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[Bill Davis] “As “insulated” as you see my thinking as being in these debates, I see yours as exactly the same in expecting the norm to be exclusively what others in a broadcast production world would reasonably expect.
And again TV and Movie Pros are only a small fraction of the class of “content creators” these days – and not at all the fastest growing class IMO.
“Look, Bill. An NLE is like a word processor. All kinds of people use it for all kinds of things. Trying to figure out who will dominate and win on either device is absurd.
You keep attributing thoughts to people that just aren’t there. I don’t expect the norm to be what studio production expects. I totally get why X might be more attractive to others, and have said so on many occasions. Yet you seem to continue to insist that I don’t believe that, or that I don’t somehow believe there is room for a whole variety of alternatives.
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[Bill Davis] “Allowing an employee to access commercial service video content over the corporate IT pipes via something like Vimeo is beyond unthikable in most of the corporate world.
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Try drop box. All they have to do is click once.
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[Bill Davis] “Just that I can’t understand the constant need to push AWAY from X, when it has it’s own unique efficiencies like all the other compeitors.
Is is STILL the “we’re angry you messed with our favorite tool” thing? IF so, wow. Grudges about things can run as deep as those about people, I suppose. Something I don’t think about very much.
“This is far more in your head, than any actual reality. I don’t know of anybody who posts here who doesn’t recognize that X has its strengths and value. For me, the fact is that two years after its release it still doesn’t do everything I need it to. I also get that its not aimed at what I do, and there are things I admire about it.
And grudge? Would I have preferred to have spent some of the time I spent over the last two years retooling on something else? No doubt. Did I get something from doing it? Quite a bit. Do I believe that Apple still has as part of its core thinking that famous four-compartment square that Jobs drew up on his return to Apple? No. I think that’s gone. But grudge? Hardly.
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[Bill Davis] “Well, for me it kinda does.
Because it makes me grin wildly every single time I hit it and know I won’t have to spend another frustrated hour burning another freeking client review DVD!”
You do know that before the Vimeo link all you had to do was just upload it to Vimeo, right? I haven’t sent out an approval DVD five or six years. Maybe longer.
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[Bill Davis] “If you can’t see the value in that, you’re beyond blind.”
I think you are blind if you can’t see that it just isn’t a “one or the other” or “one verses the other” scenario.
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[Bill Davis] “OS might be a big deal for you or me. But for my son it’s inconsequential. He’s as happy on Linux as he is on Mac, or iOS, or Windows. Evolution is strong.
“Not my point. I started on some flavor of CP/M and have used some form of everything else, from DOS to GEOS to UNIX to Windows to OS X. My point is that people who own a Windows machine, and want to toss a DIY video up on the tubes, might possibly not be interested in going out to buy a whole new computer just to do so.
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[Bill Davis] “The competitive video world of the net is clearly a place of 1 to 5 minute “information and entertainment blocks” served up on demand. That’s what that market wants. And when I need to figure out quickly how to change a tail light on my car, or want to personally hear what a thought leader said yesterday, its a system that satisfies it’s audience far better than appointment viewing.
And it seems to me the more I use it, X is a pretty IDEAL tool for creating and deploying that type of modern and agilily-consumable media.”
There is a market of some sort there, yes. However, to say it is clearly THE market of the net is blatantly wrong. Netflix and iTunes would certainly disagree with you, and they have the balance sheets to prove it.
If you want to say that X is the breakfast of champions for DIY makers, I can’t argue, though I’m sure they could use any other NLE, as well. And since most of the world is still WIN based, I would imagine that a big portion of those DIY makers will want to use something that runs on that platform.
[Bill Davis] “And it seems to me the more I use it, X is a pretty IDEAL tool for creating and deploying that type of modern and agilily-consumable media.
“Of course, following your own logic about expense, why aren’t these folks better off with Adobe Elements or Pinnacle Studio? Sure, X has a lot more stuff, but these others get the job done just fine, and at a fraction of the cost. And, many if not most of them can stay on their native platform.
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[Bill Davis] “The Adobe camp is betting that their “hybrid” approach “
There is nothing “hybrid” about it. Thoroughbred, maybe. “Hybrid” would be more applicable to any program out there that was gene-spliced with, oh, say, iPhoto.
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[Bill Davis] “The $64,000 question has always been whether “the audience” is an entity that can reliably see what they MIGHT want in the future – rather than being constrained by their current habits into thinking that all that will be available is a gussied up version of what they already enjoy.
“That was the 64K question back some years before the turn of the century, and generally asked by people old enough to get the game show reference. I don’t know anybody in the business who doesn’t think 20th century viewing habits in the US will finally flatline sometime soon after the last CSI is taken off life support. You seem to be missing the diversification that has taken place over the last two decades. Networks stream their own videos, and have for some time. iTunes has been selling shows for almost a decade.
Yes, companies that make their profit by owning bunches of affiliates have a potentially serious problem. But their problem is not coming from competition with youtube. Their problem is that they own little or no content, other than news, and, depending on the market, a daily talk show. But that’s still quite a bit of something. What broadcast and cable still have is “live.” SPORTS. Talk shows. Talking heads. Music contests. In fact, contests, contests, contests. And, it is still where you can see content first. A fan of Doctor Who? Well, of course you can download all the shows–and most likely will–but you want to see it “the moment” its available to you. Jim and Pam’s wedding. you wanted to see it when it aired. And the final season of Breaking Bad? If you’re into it, you’re not planning on waiting.
Frankly, to suggest that it is one or the other, youtube or broadcast TV, is just to have not given it anywhere near enough thought. The answer is that its all of it. Radio is still around too, you know. And youtube will have to work really hard to be something more than video’s Pineterst.