Charlie Austin
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[Shane Ross] “See? With no lines showing tracks…that looks like a mass of bubbles floating in space. What a MESS!! What a disorganized pile that is. Sound just scattered on the floor like a bunch of Legos. Waiting to be stepped on.”
LOL. yeah, but with one little click I can see exactly what’s what, not just bunch of little rectangles separated by lines. 😉 Honestly, I totally get what you’re saying, but let’s play the devils advocate for a sec. If you give your 48 track “tracked” project to another editor, and for some reason aren’t able to give them a track sheet, how the hell would they know what’s what? In X, it’s all right there, click the role and you see it. Role grouping would solve the “big mess” part, and I hope it appears.
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[Steve Connor] “I can live without them but it would be nice to have a mixer sometimes. Let’s see what the next major update or Logic Pro X brings”
Yeah… I can’t remember the last program that I was so eager to see what the next update brings. 😉
What I’ve been doing for, say, a complex music bed, is getting a cut and rough mix with the loose clips, then sticking them in a compound clip to get the overall mix. This works really well, (with one caveat) and maybe that’s how a “mixer” in X would work. Use CC’s as stems and be able to mix them live. Maybe a “mix role” could get assigned? I dunno.
The caveat, however, is if you need to make changes to the cut. You can open the CC in it’s own timeline of course, but it’s impossible to edit anything relative to the picture because you can’t see it… the CC is it’s own thing once you’re in it. If they could make it so that “stepping in” to a CC still showed you where you were in the “master” timeline. i.e.you could still see the video to which the CC clip was cut, that would be huge.
I also want a pony. lol 😉
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[Steve Connor] “Colour coding Roles would be useful here”
Absolutely. Color coding, grouping, maybe some sort of Z-order type thing, especially for video, and as pointed out below, maybe the ability to mix roles as a group. Not sure how that last will work. Personally I don’t miss riding faders, but many people do. Range selection and KB volume adjustment works well for me, but the mixing aspect of X could certainly use some improvement…
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[Shane Ross] “Not having used FCP-X since 10.0.1 (before Roles)…I might be a little behind the times. BUT…
Easily organize what tracks are your SFX tracks, DIA tracks, MUSIC tracks…so you can see what is where. When you need to adjust things, knowing it is SFX and knowing exactly where that is saves time. Guessing as to where that might be (“is this small clip it? no…how about this?”)…searthing the…uh…trackless area for what might be the clip takes time….
And it’s just cluttered and messy. Completely disorganized. I’m used to having between 16 and 48 tracks of audio. And assigning audio to specific tracks helps me keep track of it. If it’s all helter skeleter all over the place…it’s madness.I hear ya… Roles really do take care of most of that, except for the messy part. 😉 Hopefully they’ll implement Role grouping to address that. However, the organization and ablity to find stuff is, IMHO, leaps and bounds above any track based system, provided you set your source clip Roles up in the Event. It takes about 2 seconds, and can be done on timeline clips, but if the sources are “assigned” correctly it’s essentially pre-patched for you. I too use a ton of tracks and finding specific bits in X is ludicrously easy. Just Highlight the Role you’re looking for in the index:
And you get this:
Which, for me, beats the crap out of counting down say, 16 tracks from the top to get to what I need.
Click the little expansion arrow:
And just the clips I want open up for editing:
And with clip skimming turned on, all I need to do is hoverscrub, for lack of a better term, and I can hear just that clip without needing to solo it. Of course I can solo it, and add nearby clips to the solo group etc. It works way better than clip soloing in 7. Not sure about Avid… been a couple years since I cut on that…
[Shane Ross] VIdeo tracks…we do the same thing. Footage on tracks 1-3…text on track 5…stills on track4…or whatever arrangement. SO we can easily spot what is where.
Well, roles do give you the same options here, and clip skimming is freaking awesome for video too if you have a pile of clips composited and want to quickly see only the clip in the middle of the pile. Again, grouping roles would (will?) help out a lot here as well.
[Shane Ross] My main thing is that I work in long form, and many people acknowledge that FCP-X isn’t quite ready for long form in any stable way. But lacking tracks is HUGE. I just can’t wrap my head around not having them.
“Fair point, though there was a poster here who said Apple had contacted him to figure it how to make long form work better, which is encouraging. It does take some serious “head wrapping” lol, but It’s not bad at all once you’re wrapped. I’m looking forward to seeing what’s next!
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[Shane Ross] “If they get tracks back and drop the stupid magnetic timeline!! Or make it an option to use tracks. Tracks are just too dang useful…and needed for what I do.”
Not to hijack the thread (he said while hijacking it…) but specifically what is it you can’t do in X without tracks? Not being combative or anything, I’m just genuinely curious. You’ve probably posted about it before, but I can’t seem to find it… 🙂
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[Jeremy Garchow] “With FCPX, this process is so much easier. Assign a “Final Mix” Role to the stem, add it to the timeline, shove it on the top layer which won’t destroy anything, and mute/minimize all other Roles. Done.
Put it this way.
Open your timeline index and click the “Roles” tab. Pretend you had 12 Roles there. Now imagine dragging those Roles in a stacking order you’d like FCPX to take. The timeline would then adjust the audio portions of the timeline to mimic the visual stacking order you just created.
“Totally agree. The main things, audio-wise, I’m missing in X is (are?) Sorting by Role, perhaps color coding Roles, and fade handles and a more robust implementation of expanded audio. Setting Roles is way easier than patching, as you can do it on the sources in the event and then forget about it. The fact that one can now set roles on individual channels in a multichannel master clip is a huge improvement.
If you could assign a Role to a sort of sub master to “mix” it as a group (without sticking it in a CC) that would be great. I don’t want tracks back at all As Jeremy says, let X be more like X. FWIW, I cut with *lots* of “tracks” upwards of 16-24 always. And as said above, the “new” audio editing features are awesome, all those “tracks” just disappear when not needed. Though, like anything X, it takes a bit to wrap your head around how it works. 🙂
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[Ofer Geva] “Adobe Premiere has this wonder-making effect called “change to color”. It replaces a certain color in the image with a color of your choice with controls over the tolerance etc.”
Yep. 😉
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[Michael Gissing] “So if it is quiet, I think that is because after nearly 20 months of FCPX we have a better idea where it is designed to sit in various workflows. “
Hmm. I just thought it was because everyone had a long weekend. Weird. 😉
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maybe you somehow renamed them all? If you haven’t quit the project since it happened, hit undo a bunch of times. If you have quit, there is a backup in the project folder of the project you’re working in. See this thread…
https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/344/15533
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[Bill Davis] “(reserving the right to spar with A, simply because it’s so darn much FUN!)”
Well, please create a separate thread for that. As I said, I like this one. Oh, the primary is weird. The whole damn timeline is weird. 😛
… But I like it. lol
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