Charlie Austin
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I agree it’s a pita, however, selecting all and then hitting the right arrow will open them all at once.
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[Chris Harlan] “Sounds like you found your thing, man. That’s cool. Me, I like tracks. I like the organization. I also like multiple timelines.
I hear ya, And really, the only reason I posted here was because my experience actually using X has been much different from much of the crap a lot of folks seem to believe based on version 1 or a day or two of playing with it.
As a former audio guy, I like organizing my timeline too, and I see Roles as being able to actually do it for you. All they need is a button that groups clips by Role in the timeline… and I can’t see any reason they won’t do that. Everything would just get automatically organized. How cool would (will) that be?
Roles are really fricking cool even now… I have an FX project in 7 with well over a thousand clips, all organized nicely in bins. They’re just loose in one folder in the Finder, so using the media browser in X kinda sucked. I got the project into X (7toX), all the bins became KW collections so it’s exactly the same as it was. I spent about a half hour assigning roles (mono fx, stereo fx, etc) to everything… EZ. Now if I want to mute or solo my gazillion tracks of fx in the timeline… click one button. If I want to slide a couple fx in relation to one another I don’t have to scrub around to see what’s what in my timeline, just highlight the fx. I go back to 7 and curse it now lol 🙂
I also think the multiple timeline thing will be improved. X does do it it’s just sort of weird how it works now. I never really use timelines as bins, but I can see your point. I just make lots of markers in my source clips, do you cut selects into different timelines? If so, the smart collection feature might actually be able to do that for you too, Tag something as “explosion” or “good line”, whatever, and it just sticks it in a “bin” (keyword collection) for you. I’ll have to mess around with it… the metadata stuff in X is pretty crazy. I also like being able to play or skim through sequences without actually opening them in the timeline, makes looking for something I want to grab from an earlier cut of something much simpler than opening a bunch of sequences to look through them… to me anyway…
[Chris Harlan] But, you’re right. With the latest version (.03/.04), its a matter of taste now, and not Toy v. Tool… its nice to have some NLE diversity out there…
Yep… again, I’m not some wide eyed evangelist, I just forced myself to work through the “WTF is this?!” moments that I treated as show stoppers when messing with it earlier. I’m at a point where I can just cut without thinking about how the app works, and I’ve been pleasantly surprised. Also, having worked with early, buggy, sluggish, feature incomplete versions of FCP, I’m probably a little more forgiving than a lot of folks. 😉
[Chris Harlan] Hey, I’m curious–when you cut that Duece Bigalow spot on ancient FCP–was it offline, or did you have one of those early Cineflex cards?”
It was offline… I remember having discussions about those cards though. Ah, the good old days… 🙂 Actually, the only thing about X that I may be jumping the gun on is getting elements out for finishing. X2Pro will make AAF’s for protools… it works, but still needs a little fine tuning. And there’s an app coming out soon that’ll generate EDL’s… it works too but it’s still in beta. Worst case is I have to suck the spots back into 7 and export from there, not the end of the world…
Anyway, as you said… it’s nice to have options and, despite the “it’s a toy” FUD and “bad apple abandoned me” crowd, X *is* an option. in my worthless opinion of course 😉
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Interesting thread. 🙂 Just thought I’d chime in here with some thoughts…This may end up being really long, so I’ll apologize in advance.
A bit about me… I cut trailers and TV spots for features. I’ve been editing full time for around 15 years, and for 5 years or so previous to that was a sound editor and post production mixer. I also was a beta tester for versions 2 and 3 of FCP and was one of the first, or maybe even the first person, in Hollywood anyway, to finish a TV spot cut on FCP (Version 1 point something – I like taking risks lol). I think it was for Duece Bigelow. 🙂 But I digress…
First, to answer the original question… Yes, my opinion has changed. I was among the multitude of “pro’s” who eagerly opened X when it first appeared, stared at it in horror, pressed a couple buttons, it crashed, and then I quickly downloaded the latest offerings from Avid and Adobe to see what I’d eventually be working with. They hadn’t changed much really 🙂 Some months later I downloaded the free trial of 10.0.3. Same process, but it took a while longer for it to crash. Then .4 came out, and with it 7toX, so I figured what the hell, and bought it. Got a spot that I had cut in 7 imported to X and started to mess with it…
That was around a month ago and I’ve gotta say, it’s pretty awesome. It’s got some quirks but when this thing gets dialed in it’s gonna be a killer. Yeah, it’s sometimes sluggish, is currently missing a few key things, and a bunch of things FCP 7 users are used to, but that’ll change. FCP 2 was just as clunky, if not more so, and look where we are now. 🙂 I’m still cutting in 7, but I’ve got 2 projects… uh… events… living in X right now. Real ones, with lots of sequences… er, projects, and clients and deadlines etc. It’s a little scary since they’re close to finishing… that’ll be fun 😉
I won’t rehash all the missing things we all know about, I’m confident they’ll reappear in time, I’ll just note some stuff on which my opinion has changed, since that’s what this thread is about… Now, if you believe Apple will abandon the “pro” market, which I don’t, then nothing I say matters, but…
The skimmer… awesome. Searchable, range based keyword collections/favorites, all the metadata stuff… really cool.. goodbye “selects”! Storylines? Don’t really get it, reminds me of old skool Avid cutting. Here’s my solution… I don’t use them. Well, I try not to anyway… at least ’til I figure them out a bit better. Trackless timeline… LOVE it! Seriously, I’ve always hated having to carefully assign my audio and video when I cut something into a sequence, and playing “Track Tetris” when I wanted to slip/copy a chunk of clips from one place to another. In X… just do it. F*ck tracks! And I’m originally an audio guy… lol Oh, and Roles… really, really, really cool… It does crash now and again, not that often, but it does. I have not lost a single edit. If I was trimming and it crashed, that trim was still done when I reopened it. *That* is amazing.
… There’s more, good and bad, but I’ll stop writing this novel now. Having actually used the app though, I realize how much FUD is floating around regarding X. It’s ridiculous. In a recent Variety article, the head of the ACE *tech committee* said; “Pros need dedicated dialogue, music and sound effects tracks, and Final Cut Pro doesn’t support that yet.” Yes, pro’s do need them, and …he’s wrong. Take a couple minutes to assign roles to your clips, and it doesn’t matter where they are in the timeline. There’s no reason to waste time carefully arranging (audio) tracks anymore. Soloing is super easy, and you can highlight, mute, export roles so easily it’s sort of mind boggling. This coming from someone who typically has between 16 and 24 tracks of audio in my timeline for a basic cut. And you can pile up as many video tracks as you want, create adjustment layers, really cool stuff.
Don’t listen to internet opinions though, even mine. 😉 It’s not all roses and kittens but give it a chance and you might be surprised. Playing with it on a fake project for a week doesn’t count though, dive in ya chickens! lol If you don’t like it, don’t use it. But if you think it’s not a pro app… you’re totally, completely, unequivocally wrong. IMHO of course…
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For what it’s worth, that alert means the file was changed by something other than FCP.
